The Approach | A Gentle Conversation for Sleep

In this relaxing episode of The Insomnia Project, host Marco Timpano is joined by Amanda Barker for a gentle, meandering conversation designed to help quiet the mind and ease you into sleep. Together they explore the simple rituals of everyday life, beginning with their personal approaches to taking a bath—how they prepare, how long they linger, and the small comforts that make a soak especially soothing. The conversation drifts naturally to winter routines as Marco and Amanda share their methods for removing snow, turning a mundane chore into calm late-night storytelling. Amanda also reveals details about her impressive magazine collection, sparking a nostalgic discussion about print magazines and reading habits. Along the way, the two hosts engage in a friendly debate over the proper term—pencil crayons or coloured pencils—before Marco shares which magazine holds a special place as his favourite. As always, the gentle pacing and lighthearted observations make this episode perfect for bedtime listening, relaxation, or unwinding after a long day. If you’re looking for a quiet sleep podcast filled with cozy conversation and everyday topics, this episode offers the perfect calm companion as you drift toward rest. 🌙

​The Approach - How we approach things on today's sleepcast.

(Original airdate: January 6, 2021)

MarcoWelcome to the Insomnia Project. Sit back, relax and listen as we have a calm, mundane conversation to help you, you know, relax and hopefully find your way to sleep. I'm your host, Marco Timpano.

Amanda:   And joining me is me, Amanda Barker.

>> Marco Timpano: And, Amanda, I wanted to talk to you about approach.

>> Amanda Barker: Approach, yeah.

>> Marco Timpano: So, for example, how do you approach a magazine? Let's say.

>> Amanda Barker: Oh, well, you know, it's interesting that you say that or ask that. I didn't, of course, know what was coming today.

>> Marco Timpano: Right. And I, I don't know how I got the idea of approach. But there's two things that I want to know how you approach, and one is magazines.

>> Amanda Barker: Well, I actually will start answering that by telling you about my mother, Valerie. She loved magazines. Still does, actually. Yeah. And as a kid, I would see her magazines coming in to the mail all the time.

>> Marco Timpano: And that's my coffee cup hitting the saucer. Sorry about that.

>> Amanda Barker: My mother, would always approach a magazine starting from the back first. Oh, really?

>> Marco Timpano: I didn't know that.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah. And I'm not sure what the connection is in this, but she always said it was because she was left handed.

>> Marco Timpano: Okay.

>> Amanda Barker: I don't know. I usually don't. I usually get very excited when I see the COVID of A magazine.

>> Marco Timpano: Yes, you do.

>> Amanda Barker: Because I've inherited this love of magazines for a few reasons from my mother, but also from my time in Korea. That's when I really. Magazines really became a treat for me.

>> Marco Timpano: I see.

>> Amanda Barker: because at the time you're talking about English magazines. So when I lived in Korea, and this is now, M. 23 years ago, 22 years ago, where I was in Korea, English magazines, English reading material wasn't super easy to come by. It involved a trip into the city, city, which was Seoul, and the trip to the Kyobo bookstore, which was the one bookstore that had, English reading material. And so an English magazine, whether it was British or American, you really couldn't get. Canadian ones at that time would, easily cost like $20. And it was a real treat. And once you were finished with it, you painted it around to all your friends. If I did a weekend trip, that in Flight magazine would have the same kind of importance.

>> Marco Timpano: So the magazine that you got on the plane.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah, that would be really exciting to come home and bring home a United magazine or something like that. So, it's different now. in Korea, I think there's a lot more English, material in general there, especially where I used to live. But, I think because of that I had this love for magazines. So in terms of my approach, usually I look at the COVID think about, oh, okay, that's an article I want to get to. And then I kind of just open it up. I often will start, sometimes look at the table of contents, but usually I'll start at the middle and then work my way around.

>> Marco Timpano: You know, it's funny, you mentioned your mother, who is my mother in law, Valerie. I love going to see her because of the fact that I get to peruse her magazines that I would otherwise not see.

>> Amanda Barker: It's true.

>> Marco Timpano: Including Southern Living.

>> Amanda Barker: One of her favorites is Southern Living. Yes.

>> Marco Timpano: Southern Cuisine.

>> Amanda Barker: Yep.

>> Marco Timpano: Aarp. And what are the other magazines that she does?

>> Amanda Barker: She does a lot of decor magazines. And then because they're retirees in Florida, even this year, they've had very little to do. So because they're retirees in Florida, they do read a lot.

>> Marco Timpano: Yes, they do.

>> Amanda Barker: That's a big activity for them is reading.

>> Marco Timpano: They always read a lot, though.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah. And we as kids read a lot. We were always encouraged to read. If there was a book series I liked, like I got deeply into Nancy Drew when I was probably 10, 11, they very much encouraged it. They would go out, they didn't wait for a birthday Or Christmas, they would go out and say, okay, let's go buy you that book, whatever the next Archaeology Today. So what I was gonna say is those are my dad's magazines that we have gotten him. So Money magazine, Archaeology magazine, Flea,

>> Marco Timpano: Market magazine or something.

>> Amanda Barker: That one I like. I think I'm gonna have to subscribe to that. Picked that up the other day and thought, oh, I need to subscribe to this. Yeah, he is a. He has a different flea Market magazine and then, the Smithsonian magazine. He loves that one. Yeah.

>> Marco Timpano: Doesn't he have like an angler magazine, Some sort of fishing or sailing?

>> Amanda Barker: Sailing, Sailing, yes, that probably was me too. I mean, it's hard to know what to get anyone's parents. So magazines are the gift that gives all year round.

>> Marco Timpano: For sure. For sure.


Ali: How do you approach magazines when you're learning about cars

So now I want to ask, how

>> Amanda Barker: do you approach magazines is what I wanted to ask you.

>> Marco Timpano: That's a great question. I think I, look at the COVID and see if there's articles that I like that are gonna appear in there or the front page. That gives you the list, the index, if you will. And then I will flip through the entire magazine to see if there's any eye catching photos that'll cause me to pause and look there. And then I'll go back and I'll read the articles that may have caught my eye in the index.

>> Amanda Barker: Okay.

>> Marco Timpano: And then if there's short ones, I'll tend to really glance at those.

>> Amanda Barker: Okay.

>> Marco Timpano: And then usually if you're reading, I'll ask you to tell me what you just read.

>> Amanda Barker: You like to read over my shoulder.

>> Marco Timpano: That's the best way to read.

>> Amanda Barker: Not everybody would love, but I don't mind it.

>> Marco Timpano: Yeah. Or I get you to tell me what you just read. That's my favorite way to magazine is to have someone else reiterate what they just read, which sometimes drives people crazy.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah, I don't always need to tell you about, you know, tips to protect your joints or whatever, but I love them.

>> Marco Timpano: Oh, another magazine that I love is the Costco magazine. It's one of my favorite magazines.

>> Amanda Barker: Does that now I wonder if a magazine that is selling one product counts as a magazine.

>> Marco Timpano: Well, first of all, it sells many products. Secondly, it does have articles in there that I do appreciate.

>> Amanda Barker: and I just wonder that with the AARP magazine, I mean, ultimately it's everything. I get the CAA magazine, which is like aaa.

>> Marco Timpano: Yeah. Which is the automotive magazine. for anyone who's listening, in parts of countries that don't have CAA or aaa, it Is if you have that service, if you are found on the roadside and you have a problem with your car or you can't start your car, you just call up this organization.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah.

>> Marco Timpano: And they will come.

>> Amanda Barker: They must have in Europe something. Oh, I'm sure that resembles it. I don't know.

>> Marco Timpano: We have listeners all over, so who knows if in the M. Philippines or in Bahrain they have that? So I just want to clarify it for our listeners because they'll be like, oh, I'm not sure.

>> Amanda Barker: I don't remember AAA when I was in the Philippines.

>> Marco Timpano: So there you go.

>> Amanda Barker: But, yeah, it's great if you've locked your keys out of the car. That's not really a problem these days. But when I first joined again 20 years ago, my good friend Lois, who had to use CAA this week, she said, as soon as you get a car, even if you don't have a car. Actually, she had me on it before I even had a car.

>> Marco Timpano: Really?

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah, Because I was driving company cars.

>> Marco Timpano: Oh, I see.

>> Amanda Barker: And she said, for the hundred dollars or whatever it is a year, get it. Because if you lock your keys in the car even once, you'll be happy that you have it. You have someone to call who will then just show up and help you out. and she needed it this week. She needed her battery. Getting your battery started is a real thing in Canada. Right.

>> Marco Timpano: So I guess that's another approach you have, how to approach dealing with situations that might arise with your vehicle.

>> Amanda Barker: I mean, it's like extended insurance.

>> Marco Timpano: Sure.

>> Amanda Barker: Which is funny because I don't always buy the insurance policies, but I'm the person that would. It's only because of a lot of learning and cost figuring that I don't. But I'm certainly the person that, you know in my 20s, if they said you want the extended warranty, I would sign up for all of them.

>> Marco Timpano: So what is your approach to learning? And I hate to provoke you with that, but I'm just curious. What. What is your approach?

>> Amanda Barker: I am not by nature the most organized person. And so because of that, I try very hard to be organized.

>> Marco Timpano: Okay. I'm very organized because I'm not an organized person. And I tend to use a lot of highlighters and colors and, squiggly font.

>> Amanda Barker: Your other podcast, one of your other podcasts, Eat and Drink. I know Ali is always teasing you about your highlighters and your. All your highlighters.

>> Marco Timpano: Highlighters are meant to be used, and so I use.

>> Amanda Barker: You have a bag everywhere you go of highlighters I do.

>> Marco Timpano: It's right here, too. It's buried under all these markers, if you can see.

>> Amanda Barker: It's buried under other highlighters, kind of.


Do you have an approach to learning? Here's my approach

my approach to learning is a great question, and I don't know that I have an answer for it. I'll throw it back to you. Do you have an approach to learning?

>> Marco Timpano: Here's my approach. If I enjoy what I'm learning, I'm all in.

>> Amanda Barker: Right.

>> Marco Timpano: If what I'm learning is not for me, then I will just work my way through it. In other words, I will just sort of repeat things back to the. To the workshop leader or the teacher, in this case, that they want to hear to make it seem like I'm listening. But really I'm just distracted in other things.

>> Amanda Barker: So my approach. I think I'm always gonna be an immersive person. I want to be in all in. That's who I am and how I am. And. And I, come by it naturally. My family has shades of that. I know my uncle said to me once, he's like, I'm all in or I'm all out. And he would become an expert in one thing for, like, five years. The best saxophone player, the best stockbroker in his case, and then be bored of it. The best basketball coach. so for me, I see shades of that in myself, but I don't know that I want to be that person. Because I do believe that slow and steady wins the race. And my biggest accomplishments have been the slow burns.

>> Marco Timpano: Right.

>> Amanda Barker: So, m. That said, I am that person by nature. So I do want to immerse myself in the material as much as possible. I tend to want to ask a lot of questions. My approach to learning often is, This is a weird word to use, but adversarial.

>> Marco Timpano: Yes. I see that in you.

>> Amanda Barker: And what that means is, you know, I'm constantly. To use the word you use. Provoking. If I hear something and I don't fully agree with it, I'll be the first one to raise my hand and say, but what about this and what about that? So I tend to provoke. I tend to pick away at something. it helps me understand more. I think it comes. I have that approach for a few reasons, but one, I was a debater in. I was a debater in high school. I was a very good debater at that time.

>> Marco Timpano: So she still is a good debater.

>> Amanda Barker: We debated, but I don't win things.

>> Marco Timpano: The difference between pencil, crayon, and colored

>> Amanda Barker: pencil, which, by the way, is a Canadian American debate. Because they're the same things.

>> Marco Timpano: Pencil crayon is what we say in

>> Amanda Barker: Canada and we call them colored pencils.

>> Marco Timpano: I'm curious to know what you call them. So if you can send us a little message, whether it be on Twitter or Instagram or even an email, we'll get back to the pencil crayon. Colored pencil debate.

>> Amanda Barker: Debate. I don't remember what I was saying. Oh, I asked questions. So I tend to. I want to see if you hold up a fact, or let's just pick another noun. If you hold up an apple.

>> Marco Timpano: Sure.

>> Amanda Barker: In the light, I want to see every angle of that apple. I don't take it at face value. I need to test that theory. I need to look at all the things. Because in debating, that's what we were asked to do.

>> Marco Timpano: Sure.

>> Amanda Barker: And often with a topic.

>> Marco Timpano: And I'll just bite that apple.

>> Amanda Barker: It would be, you know, be it resolved that commercials on TV should be abolished or something. And so, you know, your first instinct. You have a first instinct that is. No, that's wrong. Or yes, that's right. I agree with it. You have your natural instinct. And what a debater does is they look at all sides of it so that you really. And at the end, if you're still in the same. Where you started, you may be where you started with or maybe you aren't, but at least you know, you fully developed your ideas about this thing. So. Ah, that's. That is how I approach learning. If I'm really truthful about it. I don't know that I've ever sat and thought about it like that, but I do know that I do that. And that's where I go. When people say, what are your thoughts? I immediately look for the things that I don't understand. The holes, the loopholes, the problems.

>> Marco Timpano: Sure.

>> Amanda Barker: And I go for those.

>> Marco Timpano: Okay.


I recently read that people who take baths tend to fall asleep quicker

So turning things a little bit on its head, M. How do you approach a bath? I recently read that people who take baths tend to fall asleep quicker.

>> Amanda Barker: Really?

>> Marco Timpano: Yeah. So I was curious.

>> Amanda Barker: I fall asleep after one for sure. Quicker.

>> Marco Timpano: That's what they say.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah, Yeah, I do. But my problem is, not problem. My thing is I love them so much that I don't always wait to the end of the day. Like, if it was a day where I was out at the office all day working, doing, various things that I do, then a bath is my perfect way to come home and unwind. If I have dinner in an oven or something, then I'll get that started and go up and take the Bath, have dinner, and then go to bed. But sometimes it's, I have dinner and then take the bath.

>> Marco Timpano: Now, when you approach a bath, do you approach it with Epsom salts or those bally things that fizz in the water? What are they called?

>> Amanda Barker: Bath bombs? M. Yeah. I will say a bath helps me digest. Oh, that's a thing.

>> Marco Timpano: Okay.

>> Amanda Barker: I. If I've had a big meal, I want to take a bath because I do feel like it helps me digest. I don't know why that is, but I. I know they always said don't swim after you've eaten or something, but I don't find that. I find water helps me digest. but, how do I approach a bath? I like to get into the tub right at the beginning.

>> Marco Timpano: So before it's full.

>> Amanda Barker: Yes.

>> Marco Timpano: So you fill in the bath.

>> Amanda Barker: I like it filling with me in the tub for a lot of reasons.

>> Marco Timpano: I see.

>> Amanda Barker: I don't like to draw a bath and step into it. That's not who I am.

>> Marco Timpano: Okay.

>> Amanda Barker: the anticipation of the joy of the bath is as good as the bath itself.

>> Marco Timpano: I see.

>> Amanda Barker: And so ever since I was a child, I like to get into a big old cold tub and then start the water so that it feels warm on my toes first. And then eventually I know I'll be warm all over.

>> Marco Timpano: Wow, that's fascinating.

>> Amanda Barker: It's weird because most people like to draw it and then get in.

>> Marco Timpano: Sure.

>> Marco Timpano: And what about those things like Epsom salt bath salts?

>> Amanda Barker: Or I'll add those. But none of those in terms of enjoyment for the bath, they don't factor in. It's only. Those things only mean that I'm committed to a long bath.

>> Marco Timpano: Oh, I see. Okay.

>> Amanda Barker: So if I have a bath bomb, I better enjoy the water. I don't want to just throw a bath bomb in and then 15 minutes later get out, or 20 minutes later get out. because I've turned the water a weird shade of orange or something.

>> Marco Timpano: Okay.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah.


If this house had no bathtub, would you be okay with a shower

>> Marco Timpano: Well, from bath, let's find out your approach.

>> Amanda Barker: How do you approach a bath?

>> Marco Timpano: I approach it by turning the tap on and taking a shower. I'm more of a shower person. I like to take long showers.

>> Amanda Barker: I can't imagine living without a bathtub. That's not. That's a. I have done it, but I always do it for a limited time. When we. When we were working in Vancouver, we had a shower only.

>> Marco Timpano: Oh, that's right.

>> Amanda Barker: But we had a hot tub outside.

>> Marco Timpano: Oh, I forgot about that.

>> Amanda Barker: It was a shared accommodation, so it wasn't like I was in it all the time, but knowing we had it made a difference. And, and then on the cruise ship, we had a tiny little shower between the two of us. And, sometimes I'll sit down in the shower just to pretend it's a bath.

>> Marco Timpano: No, I'm m. More of a shower person. Baths, I can take or leave.

>> Amanda Barker: If this house had no bathtub, would you be okay?

>> Marco Timpano: I think so, yeah. You know, I only like to hop in the bath if I've been cold. So from shoveling snow or, you know, being outside for a great period of time, I'll take a bath.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah, nothing will get me warm like a bath. Yeah, there are baths, there are tubs that you can buy if you only have a shower. So if I only had a shower.

>> Marco Timpano: Yes.

>> Amanda Barker: I would buy one of those portable. I don't know how good they are, but portable pop up tubs.

>> Marco Timpano: What? I've never heard of this.

>> Amanda Barker: I'll show you one. It's a big plastic thing.

>> Marco Timpano: Okay.

>> Amanda Barker: And get it on him. M. You know, on wherever you get things. Right. but it, it folds into a flat thing, kind of like a baby tub.

>> Marco Timpano: Okay.

>> Amanda Barker: And then you can pop it open.

>> Marco Timpano: And how do you get the water out of it?

>> Amanda Barker: You drain it in the shower.

>> Marco Timpano: Oh, so you put it in the shower.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah, or somewhere you can get the water into it anyway. And then you can get into it and then you drain it. Oh, you just need the storage for the big plastic thing.

>> Marco Timpano: I see.


How do you approach taking snow off your car or shoveling snow

Speaking of shoveling snow, how do you approach those winter activities like taking snow off your car or shoveling snow or things like that?

>> Amanda Barker: By dreaming of the sun.

>> Marco Timpano: I see. That's a good way.

>> Amanda Barker: I like to have the car going. If all things are equal, then I'll have the car going for a while before I go out there. That tends to loosen up the ice underneath. If you're not used to shoveling out your car, which unfortunately for us, we are, you can't just get the snow off if there's ice underneath, which there often is, because if the car was warm and it was snow snowing, all of that snow is going to first melt onto the car.

>> Marco Timpano: Right.

>> Amanda Barker: Cover it in water and then it's going to freeze back up again.

>> Marco Timpano: So you have a layer.

>> Amanda Barker: So you have a layer. You often with snow will have a layer of ice underneath.

>> Marco Timpano: Unless your car was cold at the time of the snowfall. Then you wouldn't necessarily have ice unless it was wet snow off the top,

>> Amanda Barker: which sometimes it is. Yeah, about half the time. I would say it is for us. So, to scrape that ice, you need a good scraper. But, you know, you. It's better if the car is warm first.

>> Marco Timpano: Is it called a scraper? What is that thing called?

>> Amanda Barker: Ice scraper.

>> Marco Timpano: Yeah, but what about the telescopic one we have? That is a brush on one side, scraper on the other side.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah, you brush off the snow, uncover the ice, and then you have to try and get under the ice to pry it off. again, it's better if it's warm because the ice that's been warmed is going to pop out.

>> Marco Timpano: So you'll actually turn on the heat on the inside of the car to help heat up the windows.

>> Amanda Barker: Defrost the windows. if I can. But I mean, you don't always have that luxury. No, we often don't. I mean, because that would mean leaving the keys in our car, which is not where we are a good choice because people all the time see cars that are started in driveways.

>> Marco Timpano: Yeah, but that's only if you're going to start your car. You should be near your car at the time of.

>> Amanda Barker: You should.

>> Marco Timpano: But some people aren't.

>> Amanda Barker: some people can start it with the doors locked. If you have a fancy car. We just don't.

>> Marco Timpano: Fair enough.


Tell us about your approach in shoveling

>> Marco Timpano: What about shoveling the walkway, driveway way of any sort?

>> Amanda Barker: My approach is to let you do it.

>> Marco Timpano: That's right.

>> Amanda Barker: So tell us about your approach in shoveling.

>> Marco Timpano: Well, it's a great, it's a great question. Where does one start? So usually if I'm shoveling our front, let's say I'll shovel a path for myself from my front door down the steps to the sidewalk. And then I'll do the sidewalk first.

>> Amanda Barker: Okay.

>> Marco Timpano: And I'll sort of work my way towards. I like to do patterns and straight line patterns, generally speaking. So I won't do the whole half moon scoop. That's not for me.

>> Amanda Barker: Not the half moon scoop.

>> Marco Timpano: I'm not a half moon scooper. I prefer the straight ahead and plow method. Right. So I'll. I'll walk straight. I'll push my shovel straight when the shovel is full.

>> Amanda Barker: Uh-huh.

>> Marco Timpano: I will lift the snow from the shovel and empty it into a pile, most likely in front of our house and then continue that way.

>> Marco Timpano: And then I'll do that all the way. And then I will go back and make sure it's very clear. Because sometimes you'll leave little patches or there's this type of snow that will pack underneath. What You've just shoveled and leave a layer of packed snow.

>> Marco Timpano: I don't know how to describe that

>> Marco Timpano: for anyone who hasn't experienced it, but

>> Amanda Barker: like the icy crusty snow.

>> Marco Timpano: No, like a packed hard snow.

>> Amanda Barker: Okay.

>> Marco Timpano: So you have to kind of pry at it with the shovel. So then I'll clear that and then I will go back, back from whence I came and clear the steps. Because I feel like if you approach the steps from the bottom versus the top, you get a better clean of it.

>> Amanda Barker: Really?

>> Marco Timpano: Yeah. Why? You just do. I feel like from the top you would.

>> Amanda Barker: Wouldn't the argument be start at the top so you're not treading over old ground.

>> Marco Timpano: That's because I shovel as I leave. So I leave myself. Oh, pathway of shoveled. And then I go from the bottom to the top and I remove the rest on either side.

>> Amanda Barker: You do the pre shovel?

>> Marco Timpano: I do a pre shovel followed by a fine tuned shovel. The reason I say it's easier from the bottom is because you can really get in the side corners of the steps easier from below than above.

>> Amanda Barker: I see.

>> Marco Timpano: Then what I'll do once all that is done, depending on what our snowfall looks like or if there has been ice on the bottom, what I've shoveled. Because there can be icy snow or ice. If once again the snow has fallen wet and then frozen there, I will take a de icer of some sort. And usually we don't use salt anymore. We use a de icer that is good for the environment or good or not harmful. I should say better for the environment. And I will throw it on our steps on the sidewalk so no one slips as they approach our home. And that's my approach to shoveling.

>> Amanda Barker: Uh-huh.

>> Marco Timpano: And I would have to say that my approach to the, car situation is similar to yours. But I always ensure that if I'm going to be clearing off the snow of the car that our windshield wiper is off.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah.

>> Marco Timpano: Because it'll freeze too. And you don't always do that.

>> Amanda Barker: And I didn't ever do that. But I think people who aren't used to this type of winter that we have wouldn't understand what you mean. So what he means is he pulls the windshield wipers when he leaves the car at night. Say he pulls the windshield wipers forward so they're jutting straight out perpendicular to the car.

>> Marco Timpano: In other words, they are no longer functional as windshield wipers.

>> Amanda Barker: They're not on the glass in any way.

>> Marco Timpano: They jet straight up.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah. They're not touching the glass in Any way, they're just like little arrows.

>> Marco Timpano: Yeah, little arrows pointing straight up.

>> Amanda Barker: but that's a good idea, a good approach. Because what you can't do when you have ice and snow like we have, even though you are want to do it, you get in your car, maybe you've had it going, maybe you've checked your messages or whatever. So you've sat in a, snow covered. And I've been guilty of this many times, but you sit in your snow covered vehicle that's encased in snow and you think, okay, it'll just warm up a bit. I'll just hit the defrost a bit and then I can use the windshield wipers to wipe the snow away. It's not a good plan because most often they can't. The snow's too heavy for us anyway. Like I said this. We're not talking about a light dusting. We're talking about real winter.

>> Marco Timpano: The windshield wiper is adhered to the window with ice.

>> Amanda Barker: With ice is more than, I would say at least half the times the case. So you cannot do that unless it's a light snow.

>> Marco Timpano: Then you can, because if you do, you will damage your windshield wiper because it will try to.

>> Amanda Barker: And I have, I have damaged it because it's so much easier to hit a button and hope that it might work than to go out, get yourself covered in snow. Because that's the other thing. When you have to dig around at a windshield. Your arms, you know, obviously you have all your gloves and things on, but you come back into the car completely covered. You're like the abominable snowman. Like you're covered in snow, which then means you're covered in wet. Once it melts in the car, you know, it's a real thing.

>> Marco Timpano: That's why the telescopic scraper is so great.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah.

>> Marco Timpano: Because it allows you not to get as covered.

>> Amanda Barker: I've seen ads for a circle, a circular scraper.


I've seen an ad for a scraper that melts ice instantly

>> Marco Timpano: Yes.

>> Amanda Barker: They make it look really good and effective in the ads. I don't know if it is, but I would like to try it.

>> Marco Timpano: I've seen the, ad for a scraper that is heated so that when it touches the.

>> Amanda Barker: That's a great idea.

>> Marco Timpano: Ice. It melts it immediately.

>> Amanda Barker: It feels very technical. Like the ice would wipe it out in one. That's the one you're. Then you don't want to use it because you don't want to break it because you spent $50 on it.

>> Marco Timpano: The other thing is you have to.

>> Amanda Barker: A good scraper is from a gas station and you spent $6.

>> Marco Timpano: That's right. I think you have to charge that one up. No one's going to do that.


We've come to the end of this podcast. We hope you were able to sleep

Well, thank you, Amanda, for your approach today, because we've come to the end of this podcast. And, thank you.

>> Amanda Barker: Approaching magazines, baths and ice scraping.

>> Marco Timpano: Yes, who would have thought?

>> Amanda Barker: And learning.

>> Marco Timpano: Well, listen, thank you all for joining us. We hope you were able to listen to this episode and sleep.