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​Chess, Lunenburg & Cottage Sounds
(Original airdate: July 4, 2016)

Marco:  Um, welcome to the Insomnia Project. Sit back, relax and listen as we have a conversation about the mundane. One thing that we can promise is our conversation will be less than fascinating so you can feel free to drift off. Thank you for joining us. We hope you will listen and sleep as well as follow us on Twitter. Listen and sleep. We're recording this episode from Woodland beach in the township of Tiny. Uh, we've mentioned this area on um, the podcast before. It's where I have my cottage. So we are recording. Outside you might hear the sounds of nature or the odd lawnmower motor or you might hear that motorcycle in the background right now as it sounds zips up the windy roads that make up the township of Tiny. Joining me today, I have the great pleasure of having my brother in law, Jim Cooper joining us. Welcome Jim, to the Insomnia Project.

Jim:  Thank you, Marco.

Marco:  It's great to be here.


Jim, how did you get into chess? Jim: I've always liked chess

Jim, I know that you're uh, a great chess player. I wanted to ask you, how did you get into chess?

Jim:  Um, I wouldn't say I'm a great chess player, but I'm an enthusiast. Anyways, I like it. Um, I've always liked chess. I think the first time I really started, when I was younger, my sister Cheryl had a chess set and she knew the rules so she was able to show me how to play, doing the basics, you know, so how to move the pieces and um, how to set it up and most of the basic rules. And I would play once in a while with her and with some other people who are interested. Okay. It's difficult to find people who are interested in playing chess, so, you know, because it takes time to play. Um, and um, so, you know, when I was younger I played a little bit, but then, um, later on I met a friend. Um, and he was quite good. He was quite good at playing chess. He still is quite good at playing chess. He saw that I was interested so he showed me a little bit more. You know, he showed me how to approach the game. Not just how to move the pieces, but why you might move the piece to a particular part of the board, how to develop your pieces.

Marco:  So when you say approach the game, what does that mean? Like, is it sort of a strategy prior to playing?

Jim:  Exactly, yeah. Uh, you have to think about what kind of game you want to play. Do you want to play off in the center? Do you want to attack? Or do you want to be more passive and let your opponent make mistakes? Wait for your opponent to make a mistake. But he also showed me how to better make use of the pieces. Okay, so, for instance, um, a knight doesn't move very fast. And it doesn't, uh. It doesn't, uh, affect that many squares at once. It only can, uh, affect a limited number of squares. So it likes to be around in the middle of the board.

Marco:  Oh, I didn't know that.

Jim:  Because it hits more squares, it's able to control more squares. But a bishop is able to go the whole diagonal, whatever diagonal it's on. If there are no pieces, it can, um, control a whole diagonal. So it's almost like an archer that can, um, that can, uh, sit up in a tree, if you want to think of it in those terms. An archer that sits up in a tree and has a good vantage point. Almost like a sniper. I see. Or something like that. But anyways, maybe, you know, the bishop is able to look along a long line. And, uh, he also showed me how to use the pieces together, how to coordinate the effort and make stronger, uh, use of the pieces by having them working together. Of course, rather than just like, hoping that one piece will wipe out another piece of your opponent, you. You find a way to. Because it's. It's. It's a team or an army or a team. Of course, those pieces have to work together in order for you to capture the king. So, uh, yeah, he showed me. He showed me a number of, uh, basic principles of how to approach the game so that, uh, I could have an interesting game, basically.

Marco:  Right.

Jim:  But I'm sort of like. I would say I'm a little bit better than, uh, somewhere between novice and intermediate. Intermediate, uh, uh, talent there. And he's a little bit better than that.

Marco:  Amazing.


You've competed in chess competitions, correct? Yeah, yeah

And you've competed in chess competitions, correct?

Jim:  Yeah, yeah, I've entered tournaments. Just tournaments? Yeah.

Marco:  Sorry, I should say tournaments. And, uh, what's that? Like, describe sort of the feeling when you get there.

Marco:  And do you bring your own chess board?

Jim:  Oh, um, it's. I like it. Okay. I don't know what it is, I think, because I'm kind of a slow person in a lot of ways. And, uh, so the slowness of the game is attractive to me. And the idea of just sitting down and taking time with your pieces is, uh, something I look forward to. Um, and it's nice to see everybody else doing the same sort of thing, you know?

Marco:  Sure.

Jim:  It's almost like a room of. It's a kind of meditation, in a way.

Marco:  Focused meditation.

Jim:  Yeah, I would say. So. Um, so I don't need to bring my own board, though.

Marco:  Okay. Usually I was thinking of, like, you know, when you see people play snooker and they bring their own cue and have it in a little case and they'll open it up and they'll prepare it.

Jim:  Right.

Marco:  I bet you're a great snooker player, Jim, having never played with you.

Jim:  But I just.

Marco:  Based on what you've just said, ah, strategy and finding a sort of Zen experience.

Jim:  I might be able to do all right with this.

Marco:  I bet you are. I can see that glimmer in your eye, but you might be hearing someone chopping a tree in the background along with these birds, um, on this podcast. So don't be alarmed if you hear, you know, the axe hitting a tree or someone yelling, timber. Here in the forest. Tiny. But, um. So, okay, so you find it very Zen when you go to the competition and you size up your opponent. Opponents, or do you just kind of calmly sit down and make your strategy and let the pieces fall as they may?

Jim:  I would. I just show up and, uh, I sit down and I play. You know, I'm. I'm the kind of player that, um, I'm just there for the experience, really. Some players show up and they have reasonable expectation to possibly win. Right. Okay. I, I, um, I win some games and I. And I. And I lose some games and. Because I'm. Because I'm still, uh, kind of a bit of a, uh. You know, I make mistakes.

Marco:  Sure. So you learn from those mistakes, right?

Jim:  Try to.

Marco:  Yeah.

Jim:  Which is also a wonderful thing about chess, uh, tournament. Often when you finish your match, your opponent will. You can take the board out and you can go over the game with your opponent to see was happening.

Marco:  Oh, really?

Jim:  Yeah. Yeah. We will talk about the match afterwards. So that's really. That's a really helpful thing. It's almost like a chess, uh, tutorial, you know, because typically I play stronger players than myself.

Marco:  Sure.

Jim:  And so when those guys want to, uh, um, take the time to go over what happened in the match, it's. It's really helpful.

Marco:  Oh, that's fantastic. It's so cool. It seems so collaborative, so lovely that they would take the time to do that, sort of better their opponents for future games.

Jim:  Yeah, it can be that way.

Marco:  Okay.

Jim:  Some players are very, very generous with, uh, their time and with their skills. So it's nice.


Chess players in Canada have a rating that indicates their skill level

Marco:  And during a tournament there's a sort of scoring system. You were explaining to me before, how exactly does that work and where are you on that scoring table?

Jim:  So chess players have a rating.

Marco:  A rating, yeah.

Jim:  And it is a way of scoring your level of play. And um, it's a formula.

Marco:  Oh, I see.

Jim:  And I don't know what the formula is exactly, but um, basically the higher your rating, um, if you have a high rating that indicates your skill level. If you play. If a higher rated rated player plays a much lower rated player, um, if the higher rated player wins, they don't increase their rating points very much.

Marco:  Okay.

Jim:  If they're playing a weaker player. So someone that's rated at uh, 1800 beats someone that's rate someone like me that's rated at 1400. That's about where I am in Canada. Canada has its own rating.

Marco:  Oh it does?

Jim:  Well, yeah, it's. I don't know if the formula is different or if the. But I guess ratings um, in Canada tend to be a little bit higher than international ratings. I think I might be off on that. But anyways. Yeah, that's.

Marco:  It's kind of like explaining the CFL in the NFL, right?

Jim:  Yeah, that's right. That's apt.

Marco:  I should mention that's the Canadian Football League in the National Football League. Uh, for our listeners from uh, overseas who might not quite grab that.

Jim:  But so okay, so if a player, but if a player is about even like 15 to 1500 plays a 1450 player, say that still that higher uh, ranked player doesn't uh, increase that that much but still would get more rating points.

Marco:  I see.

Jim:  However, if a lower rated player beats a higher rated player, they gain quite a few points. Really? Yeah. Ah, so they might go up If I, at 1400, if I beat a 1600 level player, my, my rating points might go up maybe 20 points.

Marco:  Okay.

Jim:  10 to 20 points. I think it's been a while since I've actually noted that. But. But uh, but yeah it's, it is helpful because with just maybe a couple games it doesn't really mean very much. But over, over a few years of doing this, the rating points really do indicate how consistent a player you are.

Marco:  And would you be matched up at a tournament with someone at your sort of rating uh, level or would you just be matched up with whomever and you just have to sort of go, go with it?

Jim:  Um, often at tournaments you'll have two uh, tiers of play.

Marco:  I see.

Jim:  So sometimes they'll cut it off at 1700 and under and so you can play in the 1700 and over and under, or you can play in the full on tournament where the highest rating rated players might be. And where I play, there would never be a master there, but there might be an international master or there might be. Um, I played in a tournament where there was an instructor, someone who is strong enough to qualify as a certified chess instructor.

Marco:  Um, I didn't even know there was such a thing.

Jim:  Well, I guess you reach a certain level of your uh, rating level, reaches a certain point. Um, and I'm not sure what else is involved but uh, the guy, uh, I knew this fellow when I was working in Lunenburg who worked. That's a Nova Scotia folks. Yes. I'm sorry.

Marco:  Yeah, I'm just saying it for our international. If you haven't been to Lunenburg, it's such a gorgeous, such a gorgeous seaside town.

Jim:  It's beautiful there. It's beautiful there.

Marco:  It's picturesque really. When you're there you're like this place is so gorgeous and beautiful. It's hard to believe. And all the little towns that sort of take you in and around Lindbergh are so gorgeous.

Jim:  Yeah, that's right, that's right. It's a classic. Like a typical um, east coast Canada, um, fishing village. You know, it's very, it's very calm and they uh, have wonderful. Anyways and.

Marco:  No. And the people are so lovely. You're saying? And they have what?

Jim:  Um, and they have uh. Well there's lots of um, uh, sailing there, fishing of course. And they have music festivals and a number of art related festivals there. So it's a wonderful place.

Marco:  Definitely check out Lunenburg. We'll put a little photo up on our Twitter feed so you can see exactly what we're talking about.

Jim:  And while I was working there, I used to go to the local chess club.

Marco:  Oh really?

Jim:  In Lunenburg, for about five years.

Marco:  What did you do there?

Jim:  Oh, there was a yogurt company there called Peninsula Farm and they um, I went there to do some computer work for them and I ended up staying. I started there as on contract, but then I ended up staying longer because I like working there of course. And uh, I ended up uh, doing computer work and also preparing yogurt. So anyways, it was a small company.

Marco:  Well, we'll have to get some secrets of yogurt on a future uh, podcast with you Jim. Uh, because that'd be fascinating.


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Jim:  So while I was uh, working there, I would go to a chess club on Tuesday nights. And this fellow that uh, was working at a local fish, uh, plant was there and this is the uh, the instructor.

Marco:  Oh, I see.

Jim:  And uh, and uh, so he also helped me quite a bit when I would show up, you know, at the club. Very nice, very nice man. Steve Saunders is his name. Shout out to Steve. Yeah, he's, he's, he's doing a lot of running now, but anyways, he would, he would also show me some stuff with uh, with uh, you know, what I should, how I can improve my game. He gave me some suggestions, but I would play in some tournaments with him and he helped to organize a number of tournaments around Nova Scotia as well. So. So, yeah,

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Jim, tell me what is your secret or your strategy

Marco:  Now tell me, Jim, what is your secret or your strategy? Are you able to reveal that on, um, this podcast or will it hinder you in future tournaments? Is there some move or, like, what's your favorite move or your favorite piece to use? How about we start there before I get all your secrets out?

Jim:  Uh, well, the only thing that might be typical of my play is, is, um, I think it's the light squared bishop. I like to move it up in a position and it's called the Italian bishop, actually.

Marco:  Well, there you go.

Jim:  Uh, and I didn't know because when you move that bishop out early, it's a good spot for that bishop because it points right at the king. So you start up early and you're showing that you're gonna have an attack. When I'm white, I like to have an Italian bishop so that I can have a sharp attack on the king.

Marco:  And who begins the game? Is it the white, uh, pieces or the black pieces?

Jim:  The white.

Marco:  The white begins the game. So that's why you like to start, if you're playing white, with this sort of attack. Attack.

Jim:  That's right. I think my, my opening. I forget what my opening is called now.

Marco:  So various moves are called something as well. Like you've got a sort of a series of moves that have a, have a name. Is that correct?

Jim:  That's right. You have openings.

Marco:  Wow.

Jim:  So you have, um, the RUY Lopez is one opening. And, um, the gambits. The King's Gambit, the Queen's Gambit.

Marco:  Wow.

Jim:  Um, the British. Oh, no, no, not the British. The English Open. Um, and when you're playing black, there are different defenses you can try. I see. So, uh, there's like the French defense. Um, some of the names are escaping.

Marco:  Sure, fair enough.

Jim:  But yeah, you can have, um, different defenses, different style of play, and certain defenses work better against, um, certain openings.

Marco:  Are you Familiar with the Timpano defense?

Jim:  Defense? No, I'm not.

Marco:  That's where midway through the game, uh, the board gets thrown in the air and the pieces just dance around. It's a signature move that I like to. That's the tin panel, that's the tympano, uh, defense. Just to throw the board in the air. Oh my goodness.


Jim: How has chess played into your life

So, um, Jim, how has chess played into your life? Has it found roads into your life into sort of dealing with anything, or does it, does it intersect with any sort of daily activity? Um, it might not, I'm sure. Just curious because a lot of these sort of, um, old, I don't want to say hobbies, but these sort of ancient, uh, games and ancient sort of traditions, whatever can really help in daily life or bring something to your sort of perspective.

Jim:  Sure, sure. If you play a lot of long games, like tournament style games, I think that it can start affecting, you know, how you treat other aspects of your life in terms of how considered the next thing that you do is going to be. Because when you're playing chess, you sit down at the board, you have time to make your moves. Um, and in all that time you just sit there and think, you know, what are the different lines that will work? What do you think is. And different lines of play, different moves that you might make will result in a different board. And you have to decide if you like how that's going to work or if you want to go in another way. Some players might work better one way, other players might work better if it were a different move. And that doesn't mean that one is necessarily. Sometimes there's an obvious mistake because you lose a piece or something, something like that. I'm not talking about that kind of thing. I'm saying there might be two paths that you could go down and both of them might be equally good, but depending on your style of play, one might be better for yourself.

Marco:  I mentioned that because, for example, when I was doing yoga, you know, the practice of yoga can also be meditative or, um, you know, it just gives, it brings a different perspective to your, to your being and at least while you're in the studio. But it's nice to approach problems from a more inner, peaceful, calm sort of manner because you see different perspectives. So I was wondering if chess brings that out or can bring that out of inner person.

Jim:  I think it can, I think it can really help you just sort of, instead of losing, especially if it's a difficult situation, it can help you just take a moment and take stock of what's going on around you and see what's a reasonable way of, of dealing with the situation without losing your head.


Pawn structure is important when learning how to play chess

Marco:  You know, how disposable are pawns? Should they be treated as such or should they be treated as, you know, important pieces within the game?

Jim:  Oh, pawns are very important pieces. You need to use those, the pawns wisely. I see you have to a good deal of the game. I approach, uh, pawn structure. Pawn structure is something that is a uh, good thing to uh, focus on when you're learning how to play the game.

Marco:  So tell me more about pawn structure.

Jim:  So uh, the pawn structure is like, it's almost like the framework or the backbone of the game. It's how the piece. For me, I think of it uh, as something that the pieces move around. So it's, it's something that uh, it's possible to have a um, good strong foundation for your game. And pawns, um, I'm trying to think of.

Marco:  I always see them as just little pieces and once they're gone, that's when the game begins. So clearly I've been playing a chess that would not be appreciated by the masters, to say the least.

Jim:  As you advance your pawns, you uh, almost lay claim on territory on the board. And so you can advance your pawns and also making use of your pieces to control territory as well. Um, if you're down a pawn, if your opponent has one more pawn than you. And that's the only difference in terms of your opponent, of your um,

Marco:  status

Marco:  in the game or the moments in the game.

Jim:  Yeah, that's the only deficiency. Like you both have the same number of pieces. You're just down one pawn depending on the level of play. That can be almost game over really. In a master level, master's level, losing a pawn being down a pawn, it's almost. Well that's when, when you're down, you start thinking of how you can draw the game rather than win the game. So it's very important. And of course the stronger you are, those smaller differences become exaggerated. Uh, the lower level play, there's lots of fluctuation. So uh, you try to uh. Anyways, you try to uh, keep uh, those pawns. Eventually, if, if everything is equal and you have a pawn, um, and you'll try to advance that pawn to your opponent's back rank, meaning the back line.

Marco:  Is that what it is?

Jim:  That's right. That back line where your opponent's king and queen start off. You advance your pawn to uh, that rank and um, you can promote it to Another piece. Piece meaning your pawn becomes a queen.

Marco:  Oh, I didn't know that.

Jim:  Right, right.

Marco:  So you could have two queens on the. On the game if you get your pawn. I had no idea. Uh, clearly I've been playing chess incorrectly. I've already learned so much just talking to you.

Jim:  If you have eight pawns, you can possibly have nine queens on the board.

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Jim:  Every pawn can be promoted to a queen if you have them all and you do it all.

Marco:  Speaking of the queen, though, the queen only does a small, uh, little move. Like she. She can only move one. One square, correct?

Jim:  No, that's the king.

Marco:  Oh, that's the king. Okay.

Jim:  One square at a time.

Marco:  The queen can do anything.

Jim:  The queen can move. The only move. The queen is only limited by pieces that are blocking her, uh, her movements.

Marco:  You can see how well I played. Played chess when I say that the queen.

Jim:  What's.

Marco:  What's interesting is that, um, Jim was helping me bring something up to the attic of the cottage. And he's like, oh, look, there's a chess. There's a chess board there, completely covered in dust, uh, in the back corner, not near any of the other games we play at the cottage. So Jim, you and I are gonna have to break. Just blow the dust off that. And you're just gonna have to give me a lesson in chess, because clearly, I don't know where I speak from.

Jim:  We can have some fun.

Marco:  Amazing.

Marco:  So, um, can you have more than one king then?

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Marco:  Or is it just one king per. Like if I bring my pawns to the back line, you said they can be any piece.

Jim:  That's the only piece it can't be promoted to as a king. You can only have one king, but you can promote that piece to a rook, which is the one that looks like a castle, or a, uh, knight, which is the one that looks like

Marco:  a horse that moves in kind of an L shape, if I'm not mistaken. Right.

Jim:  And that's the only move that the queen can't do.

Marco:  Oh, is the.

Marco:  Is the horse. Um, sorry, the knight's move.

Marco:  Right?

Jim:  That's right. The knight has the ability to jump over pieces. That's the unique ability that it has. All the rest of the pieces can't. If a piece is in the way, you can't jump over it. You have to, uh, find another way.


Are draws looked down upon in a tournament or can they help novice player

Marco:  And you were mentioning draws. So are draws looked down upon in a tournament or can they help the novice player?

Jim:  Oh, yeah, yeah. Because in a tournament, um, especially if you draw a, ah, stronger player than yourself, that's quite an accomplishment. You know, if I were playing it, someone who is at an 1800 level player, being a 1400 level player myself, M. A draw against that player would be a really solid game for me.

Marco:  Oh, wow.

Jim:  Because. And I would give me half a point.

Marco:  Oh, it gives you a point. Does it demote the stronger player?

Jim:  Yeah. As far as the rating. So there are two things that play in a tournament. The points to win the tournament, but also your own rating points. So that's like the rating points would be the broader, you know, part of your chess, uh, life. And uh, the points would be specific to the tournament. So.

Marco:  Wow.

Jim:  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So points are just wins, losses and draws. So if I had two and half a half points, that probably means I had two wins in one draw. And that's probably not enough to place. You need to have a pretty strong, uh. Most players do quite well. They get five wins or four wins and that gets them first or second place.

Marco:  And these tournaments last days, correct.

Jim:  Or is it a weekend or typically? Well, well, typically it's a weekend for me. Um, I would never be able to do any other kind of tournament and I haven't done one for ages because it does take all your time. It's like a complete weekend where you would play possibly Friday night game, three games on Saturday and three games on Sunday. So you could possibly have a seven. I played in tournaments where there were seven games, seven game tournaments. And each game, how long can they last?

Marco:  Like, is there a time limit or is it like. No, this is a tournament. You go until you go.

Jim:  No. Time is definitely part of the game. And uh, um, so you have a certain amount of time to uh, make all your moves and you have two and a half hours per side. That's like. There are different time controls in different tournaments, but typically the ones that I played in, uh, each side gets two and a half hours. Hours. So that's possibility of five hours. Um, and the, uh, way it works is, um, you would have one hour to make your first 10 moves and then, uh. And if you can't make your first 10 moves in one hour, you can lose on time there as well. Wow.

Marco:  Yeah.

Jim:  So, uh, I've never seen that happen,

Marco:  but it's possible to possibility.

Jim:  And then, um, after, after those first 10 moves, you have the rest of the time. So if you, if you make your first ten moves fairly quickly, you can bank that time and use that for the remainder of the game. I see. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

Marco:  Well, Jim, I want to thank you for all this uh, sort of, you know, discussion on chess. And I invite you, the next time you're in town, that you and I will open up the chess board. Sit, enter, we'll play, and as we play, we'll record a podcast so people can hear you, sort of being my instructor and helping me learn the art of chess.

Jim:  That's a great idea.

Marco:  Amazing.

Jim:  I'd love to do that.

Marco:  Thank you, Jim, once again, for being part of the Insomnia project. As always, we are produced by Drumcast Productions and this episode was recorded in tiny township on Woodland beach, sa.