December 03rd, 2025

Birthflowers and their meanings
(Original airdate: June 14, 2023)

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Marco:  Right, right. And we hope you don't ever make it to the end of our podcast. We hope you find sleep, but if not, you find relaxation. Thank you for joining us.

Amanda: I wanted to say that we're not alone today. In content, we are joined by our listener. Uh, we got a wonderful suggestion from listener Emma Dolfinion. I don't know if I'm saying that last name correct.

Marco:  I gave it to Amanda because I didn't want to make a mistake and

Amanda: I knew I would, but Emma thought, ah, it might make for some interesting discussion if we talked about, um, birth flowers and the flowers associated with each

Marco:  birth month and their meaning. And Emma's given us a few suggestions. So this is the one we're going to do this week, which I think is great. So, Amanda, you love flowers.

Amanda: Yeah.

Marco:  And I love flowers.

Amanda: We've established our love of flowers. In fact, we sent some friends flowers today.

Marco:  That's right.

Amanda: They actually just arrived about a half an hour ago.

Marco:  Oh, that's great.

Amanda: Yeah.

Marco:  And we have flowers that you received that have seen their days.

Amanda: Yeah, they probably should go into, um, the flower land on the other side of the sky, Right? Yeah. They've seen better days, but they're beautiful still, even dried.

Marco:  So I love the suggestion of birth flowers and their meaning. Let's start with January. M. Do you know what January's flower is?

Amanda: Uh, carnation.

Marco:  That's right. Carnations symbolize love, fascination and distinction. Distinction, eh? It is also associated with admiration and gratitude.

Amanda: So carnations are an interesting flower. They were really popular in the 80s. Do you remember that?

Marco:  Of course I do.

Amanda: Yeah. I wonder why they were so popular. Like, it's interesting to think that a flower could be popularized by certain time frame or years or decades. But I do remember carnations being the flower of choice for proms and things like that, Especially in the early 80s.

Marco:  They make great boutonnieres. So the flower that you put on your lapel.

Amanda: Mhm.

Marco:  And I think they're inexpensive.

Amanda: Well. And they last long. Even more so than that. I think it's because they last long and they come in such a wide range of colors. Um, and they're used for all sorts of things still. I mean, they're used for, uh, weddings

Marco:  and mother's days and doing those. What are those things called? Amanda, where you kind of use flowers and you build a little design and sometimes it's a wreath. Sometimes it's a wreath. Yeah, you can head.

Amanda: We used to wear them, like in our hair.

Marco:  You did?

Amanda: Maybe I'm wrong.

Marco:  Are you thinking of baby?

Amanda: Baby's breath. I mean, carnations and baby's breath were, uh, good friends.

Marco:  Yeah.

Amanda: They go hand in hand in like 1984.

Marco:  Sure.

Amanda: But I think the thing about carnations, like, you can get, there's so many different kinds. There's like little ones that my mom has in her garden and then really big full ones. And those big sort of pom pom, like full ones, um, can actually be really stunning in bright colors. Did you know they're from the Mediterranean originally?

Marco:  I didn't know that.

Amanda: Yeah, they are. Which is really interesting to me.

Marco:  People born in January, it said they're ambitious, determined, practical, and disciplined.

Amanda: Interesting.

Marco:  Would that describe your sister who was born in January?

Amanda: Uh, to a large degree, I think. Well, shall we move on? We have many more months.

Marco:  Yeah. February. These people are described as friendly, creative, compassionate and intuitive.

Amanda: So we have two dear friend listeners to the podcast. Lois.

Marco:  Oh, yes.

Amanda: Who talked about quilting and Melissa.

Marco:  That's right.

Amanda: She's been on. She talked about marshmallows once.

Marco:  That's right. And her. Or her and their flowers, or the flowers of people from February are violets and irises.

Amanda: Now, in Lois's case, they're not because she's allergic to every flower, but, um, yeah. Violets and irises apparently represent faithfulness, loyalty, and wisdom, and they're associated with hope. Isn't that interesting? And with spring coming.

Marco:  Well, that makes sense, because spring, you think of hope. Right. The hope of the new season.

Amanda: But an iris isn't it. Iris is like a late June, early July flower. That's like, right in the summer.

Marco:  Right. For North Americans. But also, what flower grows in February here?

Amanda: Um, edelweiss. No, like, isn't there like a wintry flower?

Marco:  No, the edelweiss will grow in mountains.

Amanda: What are those little snowballs called?

Marco:  I think they're called.

Amanda: They grow in spring. I'm not saying they grow in February in Canada, but I don't know. I mean, I always think of roses for February because of Valentine's Day.

Marco:  Yeah, that makes sense.

Amanda: Yeah.

Marco:  Uh, violets and irises are valued for their delicate beauty and their fragrance, Amanda.

Amanda: Uh, they are. Yeah. I don't know about iris fragrance, but violets for sure.

Marco:  Irises. Aren't they the fleur de lis? Isn't the fleur de lis in iris?

Amanda: Oh, I think so. Yeah.

Marco:  All right, let's head over to March, Amanda.

Amanda: All right. What do you suppose March's flower is?

Marco:  March is. My aunt is born in March. Um, Michelle, Miracle is born in march.

Amanda: It's true. March 1st.

Marco:  Ah.

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Amanda: Well, March is flower. You're gonna go. Of course. It is a daffodil.

Marco:  See, I associate that with April.

Amanda: Oh, really?

Marco:  Yeah.

Amanda: End of March. I mean, crocus might be more apropos. Cause that really is the first flower.

Marco:  I love a crocus. But that's not what we're talking about.

Amanda: We're talking about at the daffodil. Now, that symbolizes rebirth, happiness, new beginnings. And it also represents hope and the arrival of spring and inspiration as well. That's a nice. Oh, I didn't know that, um, thing to think about. Yeah. An inspiring fl.

Marco:  Someone born in March is supposedly imaginative, independent, empathetic and dreamy. Whatever that means. Dreamy.

Amanda: That's interesting.

Marco:  So we go to April next, Amanda. Where the people are supposedly energetic, adventurous, confident and dynamic. Well, flower comes in April. See, I would have guessed daffodil, but I would be wrong.

Amanda: No. Daisies and sweet peas, apparently. I don't know if I can picture a sweet pea.

Marco:  Sweet pea makes a beautiful flower. And they're often used in floral arrangements.

Amanda: Well, daisies are. I mean, is there any more simple, sweet, joyful flower than a daisy? I don't think so. Daisies and sweet peas both are associated with innocence, purity, youthfulness. Yeah. Daisy really is youthfulness. Like when you think of a field of daisies, a meadow filled with daisies. I mean, you just think of being a little kid and making. Or, uh, picking daisies and making a wreath of them or. I don't know. Did you ever. I used to always do. He loves me, he loves me not.

Marco:  Right.

Amanda: With daisy petals.

Marco:  Did you ever do that as a kid? I think so. Because it was just the thing you did with daisies, right?

Amanda: Sure. Yeah. As a kid. M. No.

Marco:  But I haven't done.

Amanda: I do it pretty often.

Marco:  I haven't done it recently.

Amanda: The only way I know that you truly love me.

Marco:  I guess from the daisies. I hope I get the right number on the daisy petals. Daisies are found around the world, and sweet peas are native to the Mediterranean and parts of Asia.

Amanda: Mhm. I mean, and daisies are used. The gerbera daisy really had its moment in the 90s, didn't it?

Marco:  I guess you're very like, um, floral year focused.

Amanda: Yeah, I know.

Marco:  Uh, when you. When you talk about April, the thing I remember most about April is April's gemstone is a diamond, Right? Yeah.

Amanda: Which one is the cruelest month? Isn't it? April? Is April the cruelest month according to TS Eliot? I don't know. Um, yeah, April. I just think. I just think certain flowers become popular, they become trendy for weddings, for bouquets. And so a gerbera daisy, I think. Really? I mean, they're still beautiful and people still buy them, of course. Get them at Costco.

Marco:  Uh, the thing I don't love about gerbera daisies is they often have to be put in a clear straw to keep their.

Amanda: To keep them all bright and sunshiny and fluffy.

Marco:  I think their stems get a little bit like the flower gets heavy for the stem.

Amanda: I think they can over time. So that's why they do that. You don't have to put them in a plasticky thing. You know who had gerbera daisies at their wedding?

Marco:  Who?

Amanda: My sister.

Marco:  I see.

Amanda: She had browns, A lot of browns and reds.

Marco:  And she got married in April.

Amanda: October.

Marco:  Okay.

Amanda: So they were like ready reds and oranges and things like that. Fall colors. Okay. Shall we move on to May?

Marco:  I know a ton of people born in May.

Amanda: Yeah. And it's our wedding month too. So May is lily of the valley or Hawthorne. I don't know if I could picture a lily of the valley.

Marco:  Yeah, Lily of the valley are those little flowers with the little bell like flowers that we get.

Amanda: Oh, is that up north?

Marco:  They're everywhere. Mughetti.

Amanda: I think they were called snowballs.

Marco:  No, no, we call them mughetti in Italian. And we always to you. And you kind of laugh at the word.

Amanda: Well, the lily of the valley signifies sweetness, humility, and happiness.

Marco:  I don't know what a hawthorn looks like.

Amanda: Well, apparently they represent hope and love and protection.

Marco:  What is a hawthorn flower?

Amanda: I don't know. And my parents used to live on Hawthorne Drive, and I. I thought it was a tree. I didn't realize it was a flower.

Marco:  Well, hawthorn looks like it comes in different colors, white and pink. M. And, um, it's a shrub, I guess. A thorny shrub. Amanda. So it's the flower from a thorny shrub. I'm trying to get a picture for you. This is what they look like. So not my favorite.

Amanda: Oh, interesting. Okay.

Marco:  I'll stick with the lily of the valley. We had a ton of lily in the valleys in the front, and they come in early.

Amanda: They're almost like ground cover.

Marco:  Yeah. They have a lot of foliage. Uh, I guess is what you could say. Is that how you say it?

Amanda: M. I guess.

Marco:  And that's what they look like.

Amanda: Oh, yeah.

Marco:  They're really pretty, actually, but they're small.

Amanda: Yeah.

Marco:  And we were listening to Spare and they mentioned lily of the valley in it.

Amanda: Oh, right. Harry Prince Harry was saying that Meghan had lily of the valley in the bridesmaid or the flower children. Flower girl. Children's hair wreaths. As did his mother. As did, uh, his sister in law, Kate. But. But that Megan was, um, chastised for doing that because they are poisonous when ingested or whatever.

Marco:  So let's not eat lily of the valley.

Amanda: Yeah, I think you'd have to eat a great amount.

Marco:  But anyway, people in May are reliable, patient, loyal and persistent. Amanda.

Amanda: M. That's good. Those are good qualities for babies. Are you ready to move on to June?

Marco:  June people are sociable, curious, expressive and romantic. So let's see what flower would be associated?

Amanda: What would you guess?

Marco:  Well, I would say rose Romantic. Right.

Amanda: And you got it? Oh, I did, yeah.

Marco:  Oh, that's great.

Amanda: Also honeysuckle.

Marco:  Honeysuckle, That's. That's yellow. Right.

Amanda: Why, uh, does every month get two flowers?

Marco:  I guess because if you can't get one, you can get the other.

Amanda: Well, roses symbolize love, of course. Beauty and passion. I think that's one we all know. And roses are very timeless. Like, roses have been in different. I think roses go through trends where people like a bud rose versus a more opened rose.

Marco:  Sure.

Amanda: I think in like, the 40s, I know. Looking at wedding photos of, like, my grandparents, for example, they had lots of flowers, but some very, like, full. What we would think of as almost past their prime, kind of very open roses. Oh, that was sort of the trend back then. And then if you look to sort of the movies of like the 80s 90s where people would get a dozen red roses, uh, they would be a tight bud of a rose. So even a rose, although it's always been, I mean, a rose by any Other name. Right. Like William Shakespeare talked about roses. So it's always been they're always a beautiful flower.

Marco:  What's your favorite color? Rose.

Amanda: Uh-huh. That's a good question. I've always loved yellow roses. They're very significant in my family because my grandmother loved them.

Marco:  Okay.

Amanda: My mother loves peach roses.

Marco:  Um, but if you were to pick the color that you love the most,

Amanda: I think I do love an orchid. Rose.

Marco:  Oh, what color is that? Orchid.

Amanda: Orchid.

Marco:  Rose.

Amanda: Orchid. The color orchid.

Marco:  Purple.

Amanda: Yeah, but not a dark purple, a lighter purple. Because I love the way that the purple looks with green because I love the contrast.

Marco:  Okay.

Amanda: So a green stem and then the light lavender color. Maybe lavender is a better than orchid.

Marco:  Yeah. Because I need to know, when I order you roses, I'm trying to think,

Amanda: what other colors do they come in? I like white roses.

Marco:  Orange.

Amanda: Those are more like my mom.

Marco:  Pink.

Amanda: No, don't have time for it. Champagne. I don't know.

Marco:  Blue. When they dip them in ink.

Amanda: I don't want a dipped ink one. Like a rainbow pride one. That's great for pride, but not for my birthday.

Marco:  No. But sometimes they have them just like that. Um, and I'm trying to think. There's dark. Dark red.

Amanda: No.

Marco:  And then white. White roses.

Amanda: I like white. We established that.

Marco:  What color Honeysuckle. Uh, do you like if I was to get you a honeysuckle?

Amanda: Bright pink. Is that what honeysuckle is?

Marco:  That's what it looks like.

Amanda: Very tropical looking.

Marco:  Yeah. It feels like if you're gonna do honeysuckle, this is the plant you're gonna get.

Amanda: Hang on. Wasn't there a famous song called Honeysuckle Rose?

Marco:  Yeah, there was.

Amanda: So there you go.

Marco:  Was it a song or a poem?

Amanda: I think a song.

Marco:  There's definitely a movie. And there's lyrics to the song as well. Amanda.

Amanda: Yeah, I think it was a very famous song. Well, while you're looking at that, have we talked about people born in June? What they're like?

Marco:  Romantic, I think. So that's how I got rose.

Amanda: Oh, right. So let's move on to July. We know a lot of people born in July, and they are associated with water, I think water lilies and delphiniums.

Marco:  Oh, I love a delphinium, don't I?

Amanda: What is a delphinium?

Marco:  Delphinium is a really cool looking flower. And I believe we had them on my lapel at our wedding. That was the one I liked, wasn't it?

Amanda: Well, delphiniums are associated with an open heart and a passionate love. Water lilies symbolize purity of heart and enlightenment. Certainly a water lily. We think of the lotus flower. Right. Um, floating on top of the still water. And an image that I used to use in yoga practice is the idea and ah, certainly for meditation as well that this lotus can float seamlessly along on the water even though perhaps there's a lot of murkiness under that water. But being able to know that there's murkiness and, and even tumult underneath you and to still sit gentle and still on top of it, that is, you know, steps towards, towards calmness, enlightenment. Allowing yourself to be like water off the petals of a lotus flower. Let, letting them, letting the. Your troubles beat up and, and uh, roll away.

Marco:  Delphinium is definitely not what I had on my lapel because it's kind of like a delphinium.

Amanda: Looks like a cone flower.

Marco:  Kind of like what's that you love out in New Brunswick?

Amanda: Lupin.

Marco:  Lupin. It kind of has a lupin.

Amanda: Looks like a Lupin.

Marco:  Yeah, it was kind of Stephanopoulos or something like what's the name of the flower that I had?

Amanda: Stephanotis.

Marco:  There you go. Yeah, I like Stephanopoulos because I always think of that political George Stephanopoulos. Yeah, that's who I think of. Uh, was on my lapel.

Amanda: George Stephanopoulos was not on your lap, pal. No, but, but a Stephanotis was.

Marco:  Yeah, love a Stephanotis. But that's not what we're talking about.

Amanda: We're talking about delphiniums and water lilies.

Marco:  So now we head to the.

Amanda: Do you want to talk about people born into.

Marco:  Oh sure, sure. People want to talk about.

Amanda: We could guess emotional. I ah, will guess that they're emotional. Well not with, not with all the water lily images. I just explained.

Marco:  You're pretty much on the nose. They use different terms.

Amanda: But okay, but I will say emotional. Guided by heart, not reason. Um, I'll do those two.

Marco:  So. And your mom's born in July, so let's see if.

Amanda: Yeah, we're not going to list all our family members born in July.

Marco:  We have great many caring.

Amanda: Mhm.

Marco:  Sensitive. Uh, nurturing.

Amanda: Mhm.

Marco:  Intuitive.

Amanda: Interesting.

Marco:  So I think you were pretty much. They just used different words for it. So we go to August. Amanda. So right in the heart of the summer.

Amanda: This is putting me to sleep. I see yawning here.

Marco:  People born in August are charismatic.

Amanda: Mhm.

Marco:  Bold.

Amanda: Mhm.

Marco:  Warm hearted and self confident. So what?

Amanda: We have a lot of August babies in my family too.

Marco:  We do.

Amanda: We have two. We have my father And Carrie.

Marco:  Oh, that's right. Yeah. Ah, Carrie's awesome. Carrie listens to the podcast. So what flower would you send to

Amanda: Carrie in August, Carrie? A poppy.

Marco:  Oh, a poppy.

Amanda: You know those bright orange ones that I love and bright pink ones.

Marco:  Yes.

Amanda: I love how they have like the dark, dark, dark center and then the bright pink leaves. I mean, I don't know if that would be the first thing I think of a Carrie, but it is now because that's, um, that and a gladiola.

Marco:  Yeah, well, a poppy you can't really send to people because when you pick a poppy, the, the petals fall immediately. And I planted some poppies before you can.

Amanda: Okay, we'll send Carrie some gladiolas.

Marco:  Gladiolus are the flower of Australia.

Amanda: Are they really? Yes, uh, they are like Australia. They're big and they're bright and they let you know that they're there. Gladiolas represent strength, integrity, moral character. That's pretty much what I said. And then poppies are of course associated with remembrance. Of course we use them on Remembrance Day here in Canada. And, um, in the Commonwealth.

Marco:  Um, that's why it reminds me of. I would have guessed November.

Amanda: Yeah, but that's our connotation with them. That's not. When they grow, uh, imagination and poppies are associated. They are the flower of sleep.

Marco:  Are they really? Yeah, well, opium comes from poppies.

Amanda: Deep sleep.

Marco:  Yeah, I love poppies.

Amanda: Isn't there in wizard of Oz? Isn't there like a poppy and they all fall asleep?

Marco:  Yeah, pretty much. They go in a poppy field. If I'm not mistake, mistaken. How do you feel about gladiolus?

Amanda: They, they are, they make a statement

Marco:  and they, they get used in arrangements when you want to bulk it up. Right.

Amanda: I think we sent an arrangement today that had some serious gladiola happening. I don't know, maybe not because they're not in season right now, but the picture had gladiola.

Marco:  It's funny, gladiolas. Gladiolas, I can't even say don't do much for me.

Amanda: Mhm.

Marco:  And that's why I haven't planted them in our garden. But poppies do a lot for me. And I planted the poppies and they don't seem to be coming up. So maybe I should plant gladiolus.

Amanda: Maybe.

Marco:  Maybe I'll do that next. Next. Next time.

Amanda: Are, ah, you ready for September?

Marco:  So this would be your flowers, Amanda. See how you feel about them.

Amanda: I'm trying to picture them asters.

Marco:  And forget me nots.

Amanda: And forget me nots. I can't I've forgotten what a forget me not.

Marco:  They're so small, those flowers. They're the ones that, that I often run over with a lawnmower.

Amanda: Oh, that's nice.

Marco:  At the cottage, forget me nots are like a beautiful color of blue. Purple. But they're tiny.

Amanda: Oh, yeah. They're pretty, though.

Marco:  They are pretty.

Amanda: Well, asters symbolize love, patience, and daintiness.

Marco:  They must be small, too.

Amanda: Asters and forget me nots represent true love, memories, and hope for the future.

Marco:  Oh, asters.

Amanda: You know what oh, aster is like? Almost like a day. It's from the Daisy family.

Marco:  Asters. Uh, uh, Edith planted some asters. She had picked asters and has asters growing in their front yard. Yeah, I'll show them to you. Yeah, that's.

Amanda: And she's a September baby.

Marco:  And there you go.

Amanda: That's interesting. Daintiness is an interesting thing for it. But people born in September tend to be detail oriented, so. Fine. Small details, sure. Um, do you want to read about more September people?

Marco:  Uh, I'll read more.

Amanda: Sure.

Marco:  Of course. Uh, forget me nots are also associated with loyalty and memories. And you always. You always remember everything and have great association with memories.

Amanda: And I'm pretty loyal.

Marco:  September folk like yourself are detail oriented. Check. Analytical. Check.

Amanda: Mhm.

Marco:  Practical. Yes. Perfectionist. Check. Yeah, yeah, Those are very true for you.

Amanda: Mm, mhm.

Marco:  So October.

Amanda: Oh, this is a fun one.

Marco:  October folks are diplomatic, charming, balanced and romantic.

Amanda: You know what is a fun flower? And I would not think of it as an October flower. A marigold.

Marco:  Oh, yes, marigold.

Amanda: And then the other one is calendula.

Marco:  Calendula.

Amanda: Oh, is that how you say it?

Marco:  Yeah, because it's used in medications for inflammation, if I'm not mistaken.

Amanda: Well, let's go back to the marigolds. Um, and lest we forget, Downton Abbey, Edith's little daughter is named Marigold. In that.

Marco:  Okay.

Amanda: Marigolds symbolize passion, creativity, and grace. I don't think of marigolds as a graceful flower. They're so bright and colorful. I mean, I love that they're bright and colorful.

Marco:  Interesting is, um, both calendula and, um, marigolds are edible. Marigolds are edible. You can make a marigold tea within it.

Amanda: They're also both bright orange. Bright oranges, which is a November color or October.

Marco:  Yeah, sure.

Amanda: Like the color of pumpkins, really.

Marco:  Fall and stuff like that. Speaking of pumpkins, I just got some pumpkin seeds and I'm thinking of planting them. Will they be ready for October?

Amanda: Where are they being planted? We don't have any land.

Marco:  Amanda came home and I was planting a lot of seeds.

Amanda: In what? In boxes?

Marco:  In little. In little. What I'm thinking of doing is planting the pumpkin seeds.

Amanda: Pumpkins are not meant to be a potted plant.

Marco:  I know that, but what I was going to do was I was going to take it once it. Once it developed a bit and planted at the cottage and see if they.

Amanda: Okay.

Marco:  They don't.

Amanda: They want to be moved, but.

Marco:  Well, I'd like. I'd like all the joy of a Jack o' lantern pumpkin.

Amanda: Mhm.

Marco:  Without having to purchase one.

Amanda: I mean, they cost a dollar, but. Yeah. Okay.

Marco:  No, things are expensive, folks. I had to plant some basil seeds because basil was very pricey here.

Amanda: Very pricey.

Marco:  Yeah.

Amanda: Uh, so what do we know about October babies?

Marco:  I think I said they were charming and all this nice stuff.

Amanda: Graceful. Um, November.

Marco:  Well, I wanted to see calendula. Does it mention that it's used in, like, tonics and stuff?

Amanda: Oh, let me see.

Marco:  Yeah, they have healing properties like marigolds and are associated with comfort and remembrance. So there you go. Amanda's yawning up a storm. We go to November now.

Amanda: I'm ready for the year to end.

Marco:  Well, we're almost there, so.

Amanda: November chrysanthemums.

Marco:  Oh, yes.

Amanda: Also known as mums.

Marco:  Mums.

Amanda: Yeah. It took me a long time to realize that mum was just a short form for chrysanthemums.

Marco:  Do you enjoy a chrysanthemum?

Amanda: I love them.

Marco:  I know you do. I'm always struck by that.

Amanda: You know why? Because there's so much color late in the season.

Marco:  Right.

Amanda: And they're hearty.

Marco:  They are hearty.

Amanda: You can put them out and they last a good long time. Uh, you know where most flowers are like, we're done. The basil's like, we're done.

Marco:  They're like, give me the cool breeze. Give me the coolness.

Amanda: They're a hearty. I think there's something really, like, fearless about a mom.

Marco:  Well, they represent joy, optimism, and long life.

Amanda: They're also associated with friendship and support. I think that's what it is. I like about them. There's a friendship and a supportness to them. I used to give mums often to your nonna, My grandma. And then I found out that she was upset because she thought I was giving her the flowers of the dead.

Marco:  Right. Well, that's what mums are used for in Italy, so that's what she's used to.

Amanda: And then she said, my friend said that they're not just for the dead. And I was like, oh, okay. I didn't realize that's what you're thinking this whole time.

Marco:  Well, I never used to think anything really of chrysanthemums. But then when you start to have joy and love for them, I kind of really appreciate that.

Amanda: They look so in the fall when you have them on a stoop in a little. In a little thing and, like, in a. You know, in a container.

Marco:  Or you could cut a pumpkin out and put it inside the pumpkin and have it sticking out of the pumpkin.

Amanda: You want mums out of a pumpkin this year?

Marco:  Well, if I can grow my pumpkin,

Amanda: like the mums or the hair of the pumpkin.

Marco:  Well, I mean, the pumpkin could be more like a vase or an urn that you have the urns.

Amanda: Okay.

Marco:  Or, um, a pot, I guess.

Amanda: Listen, give me the pumpkin, and I'll bring the mums.

Marco:  Okay.

Amanda: Are you ready to move into your month?

Marco:  Yeah, we're getting towards the end of our episode. Perfectly timed. We're in December. Definitely my m. Month.

Amanda: Some people say you're self absorbed.

Marco:  Is that what it says? Does it really say that? It says all good things about every other month but mine.

Amanda: No. I'm joking.

Marco:  Okay. You gotta say check if it's true.

Amanda: Your flowers. Do you want to hear your flowers?

Marco:  Whichever.

Amanda: Which. Which do you want to hear first?

Marco:  Start with my what?

Amanda: You're like.

Marco:  Well, yeah.

Amanda: What?

Marco:  They say December folks are like, optimistic,

Amanda: adventurous, honest and friendly.

Marco:  You will say check or not check after each one.

Amanda: Okay. Optimistic, check. Adventurous, check. Honest, Check. Friendly, check. Yeah, check to all that.

Marco:  I don't know how friendly I am.

Amanda: Uh, it depends on who it is and what mood you're in.

Marco:  Okay. What is? My flowers. I always know it as poinsettia, which. I don't love that.

Amanda: No, it doesn't have either. It doesn't have poinsettia Here.

Marco:  Oh, really?

Amanda: Your flowers. One is good. One is. One is holly.

Marco:  I like Holly.

Amanda: Holly. But the other one is really interesting to me. The narcissus.

Marco:  Oh, no.

Amanda: That's why I was joking that some people say that you're into yourself.

Marco:  Oh, I see.

Amanda: But that's just a joke, because actually, narcissus symbolizes rebirth, self reflection, and good wishes. Like echo and narcissus. Do you remember that? I don't. I don't really either. Holly is associated with fertility.

Marco:  Oh, that's cool.

Amanda: Protection and everlasting life.

Marco:  Is this narcissist? It looks like a daffodil.

Amanda: Oh, that's a narcissus. So narcissus is the daffodil that has the orange, the white daffodils.

Marco:  Let me make sure. Yeah, it looks like it. I typed in narcissus.

Amanda: Narcissus, also known as daffodils.

Marco:  That's a little bit. Come on. Well, whatever. I like holly. I do like holly.

Amanda: I like narcissus.

Marco:  You do?

Amanda: Well, now I'm going to decide that daffodils are just yellow and that narcissus are the white ones.

Marco:  Oh, that's good to know.

Amanda: I don't. I think I just made that up. I decided, you know what?

Marco:  I'm going to plant some narcissus in the fall.

Amanda: I'm going to plant some echo.

Marco:  I was like, what flower is that? And I'll plant some. What's yours? Lily of the valley.

Amanda: And forget me nots.

Marco:  And forget me nots. I'll plant some of our flowers outside.

Amanda: Asters were mine.

Marco:  Asters. What did I say?

Amanda: Lily of the valley. No, that's may Asters and forget me nots.

Marco:  I'll plant those, and I will plant holly. I can't, because it's a big, big shrub, and we.

Amanda: But there's so many other flowers that didn't even show up in the month, like peonies and ranunculus.

Marco:  I love peonies. That should be June.

Amanda: I don't think. I think this list is. Emma. Uh, we did our best.

Marco:  Emma did not come up with this list. I came up with this. I did some research, and I got this list.

Amanda: I know. And I'm just telling Emma that we did our best.

Marco:  We did our best. I hope that worked for you, Emma. Um, thank you, everyone who listened. If you have a show idea, please pass it all along. Because imagine, at this point, I can't even think of topics for our show anymore.

Amanda: No, I know.

Marco:  I feel like I've covered everything that's possibly possible to cover that's none of exciting.

Amanda: Well, I'm sure there's always more.

Marco:  All right, well, Amanda's fading fast.

Amanda: I am. I apologize.

Marco:  No, it's okay.

Amanda: I would like to take a nap. All right.

Marco:  Amanda's gonna take a nap.

Amanda: I'm shooting a commercial today, and I'm tired.

Marco:  All right, so we hope this finds you napping away, and until next time, we hope you were able to listen and sleep.