Hawaii Part 1 | Peaceful Bedtime Listening for Deep Rest

Looking for a sleep podcast to fall asleep fast, reduce anxiety, and quiet an overactive mind? This calming episode of The Insomnia Project is designed for insomnia relief, stress reduction, and gentle nighttime unwinding through slow, soothing conversation.
Marco Timpano welcomes guest Matt Campagna for a relaxed discussion about Hawaii, exploring its landscapes, culture, and the unique experiences that make the islands so memorable. This low-stimulation, easygoing episode offers calming travel-themed content perfect for bedtime listening.
The conversation gently drifts through reflections on favourite destinations, the peaceful atmosphere of island life, and the anticipation of travel, all delivered in a soft, meandering style that helps ease racing thoughts and promote relaxation. As part one of a longer conversation, this episode sets the stage for a soothing journey still to come.
Whether you’re searching for a sleep podcast for insomnia, calming background noise while you work, or a gentle way to unwind at the end of the day, The Insomnia Project offers a comforting, reliable escape.

Exploring Hawaii’s Hidden Wonders PART 1 | A Soothing Conversation with Matt Campagna - Episode 16
Welcome to the Insomnia Project. Sit back, relax and listen as we discuss the mundane
Marco Timpano: Welcome to the Insomnia Project. Sit back, relax and listen as we have a conversation about the mundane. I said conversation. Kind of weird. One thing we promise, or we try to promise is that our conversation will be less than fascinating. So you can feel free to just drift off. Thank you for joining us. We hope you will listen and sleep. I'm, your host, Marco Timpec. Feel free to rate us on iTunes or SoundCloud or tweet ustenandsleep. Joining me on this episode is a very good friend of mine. Ah, director, writer, philanthropist. Matt Campagna. Welcome to the Insomnia Project.
Speaker B: Thank you, Marco. It's a pleasure to be here.
Marco Timpano: Ah, you can follow Matt attcampagna. Look at our notes and you'll know how his last name is spelled. And you can check out one of the recent projects you did at TacticalGirlsTV.
Speaker B: Absolutely. That's a hashtag you can follow on just about any part of social media. We've found our way in there.
Marco Timpano: That's amazing. and I was involved in that project too, but beyond that, couldn't have
Speaker B: done it without you.
Marco Timpano: Oh, man. you and I have been involved in a few projects together.
Speaker B: I can't think of a project I've done where you. You weren't involved in it or an essential part behind the scenes to me getting something done.
Marco Timpano: And for our listeners who may have heard the episode where we talked about the inception of the Insomnia project, Matt was involved with the Nuit Blanche, art installation.
Speaker B: Right.
Marco Timpano: And that was the projectionist. So that's another title I didn't mention on, your little bio there. and Matt would project images onto a giant screen that could be seen from both inside the art installation and outside.
Speaker B: For passerbys, it was essentially a visual stream of consciousness. It was very fun.
Marco Timpano: And there was two images that you would project that I'll never forget, and one was rotisserie chickens. So that was projected.
Speaker B: Yeah, rotisserie chickens and bunnies jumping over small fences. Yeah. Seeing those things just overlaid on top of each other. Nothing says, I'm gonna fall right asleep
Marco Timpano: quite like bunnies and rotisserie, and the repetitive motion of that.
Speaker B: Yeah, very soothing.
Geologically speaking, Hawaii is an archipelago of islands
Marco Timpano: But I wanted to talk to you not about film, not about rotisserie chickens, not about bunnies that jump over fences, although that can be a future podcast, but rather Hawaii.
Speaker B: And I would be delighted to talk about Hawaii. It's one of my favorite places on, planet Earth.
Marco Timpano: And you just recently came back from a trip to Hawaii, correct?
Speaker B: Yeah, I've had quite a few, for various reasons, some professional, some, in fact, most personal. But, yeah, my most recent trip was just, this past January. And it's a nice way to weather the winter to take, you know, 10 days off and be in Hawaii, be in literal paradise for, you know, the time that your friends are dealing with snow.
Marco Timpano: There you go. Explain to me Hawaii. It's a series of islands. You know, everyone knows Hawaii, but we don't really know it. Unless clearly you're from Hawaii or you visited. You get a better understanding of it.
Speaker B: Well, geologically speaking, Hawaii is an archipelago of islands that is on a tectonic plate moving northward, which is to say one volcano has created every one of those islands. And so as the plate moves northward slowly over millions of years, you wind up with different mountains and ultimately different islands that come from that one magma spout. Now, that magma spout is at, currently the southern tip of what's called the Big island of Hawaii.
Marco Timpano: Okay.
Speaker B: and it's still. Still active. You can see some absolutely beautiful sights of, really, the fires of creation as magma is pouring into the ocean and steam clouds erupt and bright, bright Red Fire is just being tamed by water. As more acreage of Hawaii is being built. As you watch created.
Marco Timpano: Wow. So does that mean there's only a volcanic. Only the Big island has a volcano. Or do the other islands have volcanoes as well?
Speaker B: The only active volcano is currently, the southern tip of the Big Island.
Marco Timpano: See, I didn't. I thought each island had a volcano. I don't know why, but this is one of the misconceptions I have.
Speaker B: You're kind of correct, actually, because each island is. Was built by that same magma spout by that same volcano. So take, Maui, for example, which is an island that's to the north of the Big island of Hawaii. Maui has two peaks on it just like the Big Island. Two peaks, but they're from a magma spout that it has long since moved away from. I see. So Maui runs no risk of exploding. Okay. in fact, the two Big island peaks, run no risk of exploding either because the active magma spout is now at the southern tip. So Moana Kea and Moana Loa, which are the two large peaks on the Big Island. neither one has active magma beneath it anymore because the plates have been slowly moving ever northward. And that's essentially moved all of the archipelago, all the entire cluster of the Sea Sandwich Islands, as they were once called. They've all moved north and away from the active volcano.
Marco Timpano: That's cool.
Speaker B: It's pretty neat. I mean, rocks are only so interesting, but, this is one of the moments where they get particularly interesting when they're, you know, on fire. They're pretty neat.
What was your first impression of Hawaii when you saw Maui
Marco Timpano: So you mentioned Maui. What was your first impression when you saw Maui?
Speaker B: because I saw Maui after I had seen the Big Island. And really, the Big island was my first impression of Hawaii. And it's,
Marco Timpano: So then let me ask you, what was your first impression of the Big Island?
Speaker B: Okay.
Marco Timpano: And is it the biggest of the islands?
Speaker B: It is. Okay. It is. Each island has its own name. And the funny thing about calling the Big island the Big island is that that's not its name. Its name is Hawaii.
Marco Timpano: Oh, I see.
Speaker B: And so, because it's the biggest one one way or another, when they moved from the British nomenclature of the Sandwich Isles to the American nomenclature of the state of Hawaii, they decided to name the whole state after the largest landmass, even though the capital is on the much smaller island of Oahu. So Honolulu, which is where, like, Waikiki beach and all the familiar sort of 60s and 70s impression of Hawaii.
Marco Timpano: I'm picturing Frank Sinatra in a Hawaiian shirt.
Speaker B: You got it. Like the Mad Men Hawaii sort of image that comes from a time when Oahu was like the island.
Marco Timpano: Okay.
Speaker B: Everything happened there. That's where Pearl harbor is on Oahu. Right. So, like, really all the action was for a good long time on Oahu. But slowly, Maui wound up taking over as the sort of luxurious, expensive island. Right. So in the decades since then, Oahu feels a bit like Miami, a bit like it's sort of like Toronto or Chicago. Like it's a. Not a humongous, but not a small city.
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Speaker B: but it's floating and has palm trees, so it feels a bit like Miami.
Marco Timpano: That makes sense.
Speaker B: And you know, Maui, there's a lot more room to move around.
Marco Timpano: Okay.
Speaker B: But the Big island is. That's a proper drive. Like you can drive around most of these islands in a day. I see the Big Island. You're looking at, you're looking at exhausting yourself. Drive around that in a day.
Marco Timpano: Sure.
Speaker B: It's a lot. And, most of the islands can be circumnavigated. Some of them are so rustic that the highways do not go all the way around.
Marco Timpano: Okay.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Marco Timpano: So what would you have to do, hike or take another mode of transportation?
Speaker B: Well, on an island like Kauai, that is the northernmost, island, the farthest one from Hawaii. it's where they shot Jurassic Park.
Marco Timpano: Okay.
Speaker B: So there is a corner of Kauai that is so rustic and so untamed that they didn't even try to run a road through it. So if you imagine the roundish island as a clock, between 9 o' clock and 12 o', clock, there's nothing.
Marco Timpano: Oh, I see.
Speaker B: It's just, it's just rugged. Isla Nublar. It looks like Jurassic Park.
Marco Timpano: And that was the first one they, they filmed there.
Speaker B: yes, that's where they filmed the first one. And they also filmed, George Clooney's the Descendants there. A lot of films have shot, Tropic Thunder was shot there as well. there's just a lot of beautiful, untouched land they can film there. Sure. And, because of that sort of almost third of the quarter of the island, where there's just no, there's no one living. There's no traffic, there's hippies living in funny little communes that you can hike for eight hours to get to, but if it takes you eight hours, it's not a particularly high traffic area. Right. So on an island like that, what, what my wife and I wound up doing was we stayed essentially at the, Continuing the clock metaphor, we stayed at about the 4 o'. Clock.
Marco Timpano: Okay.
Speaker B: So that would allow us to drive, you know, north to get to the end of the island.
Marco Timpano: So the 12 o'. Clock.
Speaker B: Exactly. Or there we could drive south to get around to the 9 o'.
Marco Timpano: Clock. Right.
Speaker B: And each one would take us between an hour and an hour and a half. And so it was a nice central location to explore Kauai from. So we stayed in, In and around the town of Kapaa.
Marco Timpano: Okay.
The Hawaiian language has some really interesting aspects to it
Speaker B: Now, you've probably noticed by now that I'm saying some really strange noises.
Marco Timpano: Yeah.
Speaker B: Pronounce words like Hawaii. Right. When I say it. Hawaii.
Marco Timpano: Right.
Speaker B: That's because the Hawaiian language has some really interesting aspects to it. It's only got, like, 14 letters that we would recognize as Roman noises. Roman, letters and phonemes. But they have what looks like an apostrophe. They call it an okina. Love it. And so the cool thing about that is that there's two I's in the word Hawaii. And that's because that okina exists between those two eyes.
Marco Timpano: Oh, I never see it written like that. well, I'm just. As Matt's talking, I'm gonna do it for myself.
Speaker B: Right there, between the two eyes, there's an apostrophe.
Marco Timpano: When.
Speaker B: When native speakers or when Pacific Islanders, when. When people who are sensitive to the culture of Hawaii, write the word that okina, that apostrophe lives in there. And what that means to the. To the speaker when they read it is that there's a hard stop with those two, usually vowels. Right. So Hawaii would let you know that there's a. That those two eyes don't live together in a word like skiing.
Marco Timpano: Right.
Speaker B: Those two eyes live together.
Marco Timpano: Right.
Speaker B: You wouldn't know that there's a second
Marco Timpano: eye if you weren't a native writer of English.
Speaker B: Exactly. But Hawaii has an okina there between the two eyes. Maui is a small, smooth word. There are no okinas right in there. But Kauai is spelled between that last A and I. There's no kina. So it's kawaii. I see. Yeah. It's a really beautiful language and a beautiful culture. They didn't have much of a written language when, When Captain Cook arrived Right. In Hawaii for the first time. But, since then, they've adapted English into a way to write the Hawaiian language as a written word. And they've taken about 14, if I recall. It's 14 letters from the English language. K is In a lot of things. M is there an H? Hawaii is the way Hawaii is used usually pronounced, so that W even exists more as a V for a lot of native speakers. And so you really find out, either how native someone wants to be or how Anglo they want to be based on how they pronounce those words. So, you know, at an airport, you might tell the Air Canada or Delta steward that you're going to Hawaii, right? But when you're ordering, when you're ordering the spam omelette on the Big island, right, you'll call it Hawaii.
Marco Timpano: I see. Yeah. Oh, that's fascinating.
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You were born in Hawaii and haven't stopped since
Marco Timpano: So we spoke about Rock Land language. I'd like to know about the water.
Speaker B: Oh, the water. Okay. I learned to swim well before I learned to walk.
Marco Timpano: Oh.
Speaker B: So I'm.
Marco Timpano: You're like my wife, then. You're a water baby.
Speaker B: Oh, I am. I was. I was born in a sign of
Marco Timpano: water and haven't stopped since.
Speaker B: Yeah, basically. And I really do feel the best in. In water. And there's never in my life been a time where I was in better water than in Hawaii.
Nidhi Khanna: Yeah.
Marco Timpano: Oh, man.
Speaker B: And when I was. When I was little, like, what made
Marco Timpano: it better before you go into what. What's like, what was it?
Speaker B: It. It's wild and it behaves in such beautiful and unpredictable, ways, and it's. It feels so pure. I mean, honestly, the. The biggest worry I had when, the. When the reactors in Tokyo in. In Fukushima.
Nidhi Khanna: Right.
Speaker B: Went. Was. Oh, no. Hawaii. Right.
Marco Timpano: Okay.
Speaker B: Because it's. It's just such a beautiful, untouched, just striking, wild place. And, you know, the. The spirit of Aloha is something that the people of Hawaii speak about and live really, that, that idea of. Of welcoming people, of gratitude, of being a part of. Of the land and of appreciating what they have. And, you know, in certain cultures, that can come off as a kind of. I don't want to say laziness. Sure. But it can come off as a kind of contentedness.
Marco Timpano: Okay.
Speaker B: And so, you know, Hawaii is not the state that will. That will put a man on Mars.
Marco Timpano: Right.
Speaker B: But it is the state that will bring calm and peace. It is the state that created Barack Obama. Right. You know, a very.
Marco Timpano: Bette, Midler.
Speaker B: Bette Midler. It has created some wonderful people. Keanu Reeves.
Marco Timpano: That's. Oh, was he born in Hawaii?
Speaker B: He's. He's Hawaiian descent.
Marco Timpano: I see.
Speaker B: Okay.
Marco Timpano: Yeah.
Speaker B: And so there are, there are some really wonderful people and. And auras and philosophies.
Marco Timpano: Wow.
Speaker B: That come out of Hawaii.
Marco Timpano: Very mystical. You. You were mentioning when you were a kid and then I interrupted you. Yeah.
Speaker B: When I was. When I was small, I would spend time in, in the ocean off of north and South Carolina in Florida. and then when I got older, I would go to the Caribbean, but nothing in the Dominican Republic. Nothing in Jamaica, Nothing on the east coast of America, Nothing in. Even in Canada, where we have some of the most rugged and beautiful land in. In the world. nothing compares to the bays and the, the piers and the jetties and the just rugged beauty of Hawaii. It's incredible.
If you have allergies, you should bring some meds to Hawaii
Marco Timpano: What about the floor flora?
Speaker B: The flora is pretty incredible in its own way. There are deserts.
Marco Timpano: everyone knows the lei when you go to Hawaii, right? Yeah. It's a bunch of flowers. Is it a particular flower?
Speaker B: It really comes down to who's building the lei. Oh, I see you can find leis made out of stones even.
Marco Timpano: Really?
Speaker B: Yeah.
Marco Timpano: Stone.
Speaker B: Stone lei. Yeah.
Marco Timpano: It.
Speaker B: It really is a sign of welcoming and a sign of. Of being a part of something new and being brought into it. and what I found with the flora is that Hawaiians are very connected to that which grows around them. And so it's not uncommon in Hawaii if you're on a hike through the wilderness to find places where a person has left an offering to maybe their personal spirituality, but maybe to the. To the God of the island of the volcano, Pele, where you'll find some flowers that have been picked and some leaves that have been laid out in a really artistic, beautiful way. And it's someone who came in that space before you, and you can tell by the freshness of those. Of that offering. Okay. How far behind that person you might be. It's like the. The spiritual leavings of the person before you. It's quite beautiful to see the way people appreciate and, and offer the island unto itself.
Marco Timpano: Now, do you see a lot of these flowers as you're doing these hikes or these flowers that people would bring with them? And did anything strike you as, wow, that's very different than the flora of my native land.
Speaker B: There were parts of. Specifically on this recent trip to Kauai, there were parts of it that felt a little bit like being in Rattlesnake Point. Okay. Near, the. Near the Niagara peninsula in, in, in Toronto. Near. Outside of Toronto, in the Greater Toronto area.
Marco Timpano: Isn't it Mississauga Rattlesnake?
Speaker B: It begins, the. The area sort of starts near Milton and works its way, south and then a little bit east, down towards, Buffalo. It's a pretty impressive space that I went to a lot when I was younger, and there were moments where I was surrounded by palm trees in Kauai. And then I would round a bend. And because of the way trade winds affect, especially the oldest island of Kauai, the, the amount of foliage that would change as you turn a corner was amazing. Like, you would feel like you were in a whole New Forest every 10 minutes. The elevation would affect what you were surrounded by. The trade winds would affect how the seeds were populating one way to another. The, the pollination in Hawaii is remarkable. That it goes from island to island is shocking. often it's carried by birds. That's how a lot of, that's how a lot of the islands were populated and cross pollinated with flora and fauna. A lot of things were just brought by birds. Sure, sure.
Marco Timpano: Actually, that's what the next thing I was going to go to. But I will say this, that if you have allergies and you go to Hawaii, you should probably bring some meds.
Speaker B: There is something in Hawaii called vog, which is a combination of volcanic smoke, V, which is where the V comes from, and essentially water vapor fog.
Marco Timpano: Okay.
Speaker B: And so og. And so that volcanic fog can really mess with your sinuses, especially if your, prone to any kind of sinus problems or, have any sort of allergies. My wife in particular, she found having some, some antihistamines were helpful. I don't, I don't really have many allergic, sensitivities that I'm aware of. But even I wasn't sure if I was getting sick. I was like, there's like something in the back of my throat. Like my. I couldn't tell. Yeah, I got a vog in my throat. And it got to the point where if it wasn't for the, for the wonderful lady at the reception desk of our hotel, I would have just assumed I was getting sick and never got sick. So it was, it was a strange thing. Although I must say, the flight home, if you have sort of that voggy sinus congestion happening, can be uncomfortable. So you want to make sure that you're prepared for the pressure and depressurization and repressure pressurization that you're going to be affected by in a flight like that.
Marco Timpano: So we talked about flora, we got to talk about fauna.
The strangest thing about Kauai is that they have chickens everywhere
Did you see any cool animals while you were there?
Speaker B: I've got to say the, the strangest thing about Kauai is that they have chickens everywhere.
Marco Timpano: Really.
Speaker B: It's weird. I've been to a lot of Hawaiian islands and spent a decent amount of time on them, and never had anyone ever mentioned to me that there are wild chickens running through the streets of Kauai.
Marco Timpano: Amazing.
Speaker B: Like pigeons in New York. It was at first I was sleeping, and at about three in the morning, four in the morning, there was a full moon. And I thought nothing of the fact that a rooster crowed. I was like, oh, and there must be a farmer nearby who, you know, his chickens are confused because this. Because the full moon is out. Sure. All right, no big deal. Oh, no, nobody owns that chicken. I found out the next day there are just hundreds and hundreds of not ugly chickens. These are Portuguese fighting cock.
Marco Timpano: Oh, really? So they're serious. Like, you don't mess with these. Well, chickens.
Speaker B: They're pretty. I wouldn't call them like rabid or feral necessarily, but they know that they own the island.
Marco Timpano: Well, chickens are not like they. They're serious, foul. Like they don't. You don't mess with a chicken.
Speaker B: Absolutely.
Marco Timpano: Everybody thinks it's like, you know, on a farm, oh, look how nice a chicken.
Speaker B: When you put chickens close to each other, man, they're made of sharp.
Marco Timpano: Yeah, they're sharp claws.
Speaker B: They got sharp beaks.
Marco Timpano: They're the rooster, cone or whatever it's called, you know.
Speaker B: But I must say, they, they are beautiful. Oh, yeah, these, these Portuguese fighting that got loose in the last 20 years because hurricanes hit the islands and destroyed coops that normally would keeping. Were keeping the chickens perfectly, you know, controlled. They. There is no mongoose population, on the island of Kohler, Hawaii. And a mongoose is the only thing that can keep a chicken population in check.
Marco Timpano: I didn't know that. Yeah, I thought snakes would be able to.
Speaker B: Apparently the mongoose is the, like, natural predator of the chicken. And because there is not a single mongoose on the island of Kauai, Chickens rule man. Yeah.
Marco Timpano: And mongooses take care of. I know it's mongoose, but, a mongoose will kill a snake too.
Speaker B: Oh, I believe that.
Marco Timpano: Just on a side note, in case anybody has a pet mongoose, this is
Speaker B: like an alpha predator.
Marco Timpano: You don't want to mess with a mongoose.
Speaker B: One day there'll be a Godzilla movie where he has to take out, like, mongoose. is there a huge.
Marco Timpano: Is there any superhero that has mongoose, nest to them? That'd be a cool superhero.
Speaker B: The funny thing is a wolverine is not a particularly, like, wolf like creature. So, I'd say a wolverine is probably the closest thing to know.
Marco Timpano: But a wolverine is not. Wolverine is. Okay, we're not gonna get into this, Matt, we'll do another episode where we talk about superheroes because we could go down for a while. We could go down and we won't.
The amazing thing about Hawaii is that all the food comes in from other places
Let's talk about the food.
Speaker B: Okay. The amazing thing about Hawaii is that
Marco Timpano: all the food comes in from other places.
Speaker B: It's funny because in a way, from a, from an intellectual sense, it, it does.
Marco Timpano: Oh, really?
Speaker B: I mean, the Hawaiian culture is a beautiful amalgam of Pacific Islanders, plus the Japanese, plus the British, plus the Chinese, plus the Portuguese. And it's funny how many places in Hawaii you can find, chorizo sausage. Oh, it is everywhere. Chorizo sausage and Spam are about the two most common forms of non aquatic meat you're going to find.
Marco Timpano: Okay.
Speaker B: Yeah. Oddly enough, chicken, not that common really. They think they're running all over the place. Nobody's eating them. They're the most relaxed chickens you'll find.
Marco Timpano: I see. I never understood that. Like, I know there's wild boes that, that like run rampant in places like Texas and whatnot.
Speaker B: Oh, there's some wild boes in Hawaii.
Marco Timpano: And the Italian in me is like, let's have a pig roast because there's pochetta right there, right there. And then you've got wild chicken. I mean, come on.
Speaker B: Dinner's knocking on your door.
Marco Timpano: Matt, I want to thank you so much for talking to us about Hawaii.
Speaker B: It's been my pleasure. Reliving every moment or Hawaii.
Marco Timpano: I'll start, saying it. I'm going to do a part two on Hawaii with your wife. So I want to thank you for this. Stay tuned for an episode where Matt and I discuss superheroes because if there's ever, a sort of master, class in that, you could certainly teach it. Once again, you can follow Matt Attcompania and TacticalGirlsTV to check out that series. Thank you, Matt. Thank you, Marco M. As always, the Insomnia Project is produced by drumcast Productions and this episode was recorded in Toronto, Canada.