Hotels & Authors/Arthurs | Podcast to Fall Asleep To

In this short bonus episode of The Insomnia Project, a relaxing sleep podcast for insomnia, Marco shares a quick update with listeners about some unexpectedly loud advertisements that recently appeared in a few episodes. If you noticed the volume jump or were startled while settling in for bedtime listening, this episode explains what happened behind the scenes and what the team is doing to address it.
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(Original airdate: Nov 5, 2021)

 Welcome to the Insomnia Project. Sit back, relax and listen as we have a calm conversation about the mundane to help you, our listeners, find your way to sleep or relaxation. And I just want to say, start off. You might be wondering why this show when we just had one on Wednesday.

>> Amanda Barker: Well, I'll let you consider that. And I'm going to let you take a drink because you feel a bit mouth noisy to me.

>> Marco Timpano: Amanda brings in a, glass of water with a lot of ice, so it clanks away.

>> Amanda Barker: In my defense, this is slightly melted ice.


Marco says some ads on the podcast were too loud and disturbed listeners

>> Marco Timpano: Okay, so I just want to start the, start this episode off by saying I understand that there were some very loud ads that we had in the mid part of our episodes and at the end of our episode recently. And, thankfully our listeners reached out to me and said, the ads are too loud. They're waking us up as we're falling asleep.

>> Amanda Barker: Was that for all markets, Marco?

>> Marco Timpano: That was for the U.S. marco. So it seemed like, or at least that's what I heard. The response I heard were all from U.S. american listeners. and so if you're listening in another part of the world and you're hearing really loud ads in the middle and towards the end of the podcast, please let us know. But I've removed all those ads. I've asked the partner that we work with acast to please remove those ads because I can't determine if they're loud or not for the different markets. Amanda? I only select the type of ad that can be played.

>> Amanda Barker: Which in your defense was a sleeping ad, right? I think it was a mattress, right?

>> Marco Timpano: Yeah, I think it was a mattress ad. And so I said like anything to do with sleep, you can advertise on our show, thinking that it would be calm and relaxing. And it turns out this one particular sleep ad was loud and disturbing people. So I apologize for that. They have all been pulled. You may hear some ads at the very top of the show. Of course, we're using those ads to make revenue so that we can continue to have the podcast on and, you know, just to help us with the costs that are associated with this podcast. So you will no longer hear mid roll or end roll ads unless I am reading them. I told them I'll do spons ads or host red ads because I can determine the volume of that and the pacing of that so that people who are mid sort of mid drift off won't be disturbed by them.

>> Marco Timpano: So that's. I just wanted to come out and say that to our listeners. Hopefully I haven't lost listeners who are really turned off by it. And if it disturbed your sleep, I apologize. But I have received some beautiful emails from people, Amanda, saying that they love the show and that those ads were just a bit jarring. That brought that to my attention. Now, Amanda, you are joining a gang of some sort.

>> Amanda Barker: I am joining a gang.

>> Marco Timpano: A motorcycle gang.

>> Amanda Barker: And I'm actually right now trying to figure out the etymology of the name of my new gang. I think it's a gang, right? We're allowed to say gang.

>> Marco Timpano: I don't know about that, but it's not quite a gang. I also want to mention this, Amanda, before I forget, that if you've downloaded episodes previous to today's episode, those downloaded episodes may still have the ads on them. So you might want to delete those and redownload them because now they won't feature the ad. But if you downloaded them as of yesterday, they may have still had the ads in the middle and at the end. So that's the only other sort of clarifying statement I want to make.


Amanda recently joined a Vespa riding gang on Facebook

>> Amanda Barker: Okay, so I have recently joined a gang on Facebook. and the name of this gang is the Piper Doves. Now I'm trying to. I have not partaken in any of Their activities. Any gang related activities as of yet? I feel like I'm being a bit coy with the word gang, but I think that is what it is actually called.

>> Marco Timpano: It's a group of people, right?

>> Amanda Barker: Yep. And in this case a group of, I, think females. Female identifying people, which are females. and they're called the Piper Doves. Now I'm trying to find the etymology of the name and I know I did see, the etymology of the name and now I'm just trying to.

>> Marco Timpano: I'll let you look that up as I drop my pencil here. Amanda's joined this Vespa riding gang. So it's a bunch of, women who are scooters. Oh, scooters, sorry, scooter riding women in the Toronto area. It's just in the city, right, Amanda?

>> Amanda Barker: I think so, yeah. And they ride their scooters around and they're women and that's their thing. So I thought, well, that's me and I have a scooter, so I'm gonna do that. But now I'm trying to figure out why they're called the Piper Doves. And I know, I know I've seen it, somewhere on this group, but I can't find it.

>> Marco Timpano: Well, I'll let you look for it.

>> Amanda Barker: It's something, Piper. I gotta find it.

>> Marco Timpano: Amanda's gonna look for it.


We got a lovely review for our podcast, five stars

While she's looking for it, I also wanted to mention we got a lovely review. So apart from, you know, all the feedback that I got with regards to, you know, the loud ads, I also got a lovely review and I'm really grateful for it. And it's from Jay Electra and she called and she writes favorite podcast, five stars. So already after a day of being very upset that these, these ads were waking people up, this really picked up my experience. So thank you, Jay Electra. I'll just read you the review. It says, engaging, yet relaxing, thoughtful and fun. Marco, Amanda, Nidhi and guests became my friends through the pandemic. Pause. Thank you for sharing your talent, creativity, amazing network, and many hours of companionship with the rest of with a restless world. So I just want to say this, thank you. First of all, thank you for that lovely review. Secondly, we have had so many people listen to our podcast because of the pandemic. And we never mention the pandemic because nobody needs to hear more about that.

>> Amanda Barker: Everyone's living it in their own way.

>> Marco Timpano: Right. You know, and so we try not to. We don't mention it. But, I mention it only because it was referenced in the review. But thank you. If you're just listening just to have a friendly voice talk to you about things that hopefully don't bother you. Right, Amanda? So thank you for all our new listeners who have joined in because of what's going on in the world.


Heidi Kitten: Speaking of birds, I know we mention Wingspan frequently

All right, enough of all that. Since I'm giving a little bonus episode here, we will just get into it. And now you can sort of not worry about us talking about everything that we spoke off the top of the show.

>> Amanda Barker: Okay, here we go. So somebody wrote, I found it. Not sure what a Piper dove is yet, but I'm Heidi Kitten. And so they wrote, piper is the word for scooterist. Somebody on a scooter. Oh. Is a piper a piper? Yeah. And dove is a pacifist or bird. So, it's the idea of a peaceful gang.

>> Marco Timpano: I see.

>> Amanda Barker: And that's what I have joined.

>> Marco Timpano: Wow, that's wonderful.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah.

>> Marco Timpano: Speaking of birds, I know we mention Wingspan all the time. One of our listeners said they got into Wingspan and their family loves it.

>> Marco Timpano: And that makes me so happy.

>> Amanda Barker: It makes me happy too. And, maybe we'll do a round of Wingspan tonight. Yeah.

>> Marco Timpano: Maybe we'll tape it and I'll put it on the Patreon episode. Like put it as a Patreon episode so people can watch us watch. Can we film it and put it up?

>> Amanda Barker: What do you mean? Can we?

>> Marco Timpano: Like shall we or.

>> Amanda Barker: Yes, perfect. Okay, we'll do that. Yes, we certainly can, I think.

>> Marco Timpano: All right.

>> Amanda Barker: I love Wingspan because I love that it's a 40 minute commitment that'll just rezone me, put me in a nice place, allow me to just think about birds and facts about birds and, strategies. But, you know, in a simple, soothing kind of way.


Arthur: We went to Paris, Ontario, last weekend. It's the official city of the season

>> Marco Timpano: Well, it's interesting. We seem to this season talk a lot about Paris, Ontario, and we were there last weekend.

>> Amanda Barker: It's the official city of the season.

>> Marco Timpano: I guess so. And you know, anyone listening who's from Paris? You have a beautiful. You have a beautiful city, a beautiful town, I guess you would say. I don't know if it's really qualifies to be a city with regards to population.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah. It might not be an actual city, but I have to say any place that has a river running through it is beautiful.

>> Marco Timpano: No doubt. And we got to stay at that hotel that we mentioned.

>> Amanda Barker: Have we not talked about this yet?

>> Marco Timpano: We've talked about the hotel, but we weren't able to stay there. So we actually stayed at the hotel.

>> Amanda Barker: Oh, I didn't Realize we haven't unearthed this?

>> Marco Timpano: No. So we'll describe what happened when we went to this lovely hotel. So it's an old hotel from the 1800s called the M. Ambassador.

>> Amanda Barker: I'm just gonna let you try to find it in your brain. I know what it is. No, I'll tell you. It's the Arlington.

>> Marco Timpano: Arlington. The Arlington.

>> Amanda Barker: But I wanted to see how many versions of the hotel name you know.

>> Marco Timpano: Why do I want to say Ambassador?

>> Amanda Barker: I don't know.

>> Marco Timpano: Okay, well, it's the Arlington. The Arlington Hotel in downtown Paris, Ontario.

>> Amanda Barker: It is right at the. There's a light, the four corners, and a crosswalk. That is quite a, It's called the Barnes Dance Crosswalk because it can go in every direction, including diagonally.

>> Marco Timpano: I kind of love that.

>> Amanda Barker: It's called quite a, crosswalk.

>> Marco Timpano: They call it a dance. And if you haven't experienced one of these crosswalks, all the lights. So the floor lights will be red, and you can walk in every direction, including diagonal. During that particular quote, unquote.

>> Amanda Barker: Dance diagonally.

>> Marco Timpano: Diagonally, yes.

>> Amanda Barker: Make it a proper adverb.

>> Marco Timpano: We had somebody actually reach out, about the, the grammar that we were talking about.

>> Amanda Barker: Oh, and correcting me.

>> Marco Timpano: No, just saying how, that. I'll look it up in a moment. They're like, you know, it's Amanda's. Right. With the grammar or something. I'll look up the exact quote. But, So you. You do that little farmer's dance, or what was it called? Barnyard dance.

>> Amanda Barker: It's someone's name. It's Barnes Dance. That's like Farmer's dance.

>> Marco Timpano: Yes.

>> Amanda Barker: You just spin your partner around the crosswalk to get to the other side.

>> Marco Timpano: How hungry would that be if you could do a square dance?

>> Amanda Barker: As you could. Again, can or may. Two different things. You can do a, square dance across the road in Paris, Ontario, if that's what your heart chooses for you. Well, anyway, you cross the crosswalk, and

>> Marco Timpano: you get to the hotel.

>> Amanda Barker: There it is. Yes.

>> Marco Timpano: And every room is themed with a particular author in mind.

>> Amanda Barker: And then they've jumped away from that theme only a few times. For filmmakers, I think. I mean, Stanley Kubrick might be an author. I don't know. Leonardo da Vinci, I suppose, made some books, so there's a few that you're like, okay, I don't know if that. But whatever. I mean, be a stickler for the authors, but most of them are authors.

>> Marco Timpano: Sure, sure. We're there with friends.

>> Amanda Barker: By the way, author is one of the words that I always have to, put through my mind because otherwise you'll say Arthur. Well, because I think I'm saying it wrong. Because of being a Bostonian. There are words that you just learn to say, I guess, wrong, quote, unquote. And Arthur always sounds like I'm saying it like it should be Arthur. Yeah, right.


Amanda wanted something that would lend itself to a Halloween experience

>> Marco Timpano: Anyway, so we're excited to see which Arthur we're going to be, whose room we're going to get. And our friends get their room first, or we go to their room first.

>> Amanda Barker: And I think we should mention that it's Halloween weekend. This was last weekend.

>> Marco Timpano: So Amanda's really hoping her author is going to have some sort of.

>> Amanda Barker: I wanted something that would lend itself to a Halloween experience. Halloween spooky weekend. So some of the options would have been the Mary Shelley room, for example.

>> Marco Timpano: She wrote Frankenstein.

>> Amanda Barker: Indeed. Or, even like the Brothers Grimm. The Brothers Grimm. Sir Arthur. There we go. Arthur. Not Arthur.

>> Marco Timpano: Not Arthur.

>> Amanda Barker: Arthur Conan Doyle. Arthur Conan Doyle, who wrote Sherlock Holmes, even kind of has a bit of a suspenseful, feel. Halloween vibe. Or, Agatha Christie was another one.

>> Marco Timpano: She wrote a lot of mystery books.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah. I'm trying to think of other spooky, rooms, but anyway, there were a few.

>> Marco Timpano: Sure.

>> Amanda Barker: Ah, Stanley Kubrick would be spooky in its own right, I suppose.

>> Marco Timpano: So however, we go to our friend's room, Matt and Mel, who have been on the show, and they use their hotel key. They open it, and as we pry open the door, all excited to see their room, it reveals that the room is.

>> Amanda Barker: We see a raven and then a dark blue paint on the walls and all these etchings. And it's the Edgar Allan Poe room.

>> Marco Timpano: And we're pretty excited because, as you mentioned, it's Halloween weekend. So this is really a perfect.

>> Amanda Barker: I mean, there's a raven in it. Like a perfect, spooky, eerie, Halloween themed room.

>> Marco Timpano: On point with the weekend that we're looking to have. And so we're very excited. And there's like quotes on the wall that he's written and little black frames with little black cutouts of him.

>> Amanda Barker: And there's the telltale heart. There's a frame of the telltale heart. There's a, as I said, huge frame of the raven. so those lock and key, those types of things that will lead you to pose. Mostly poetry or short stories. So very spooky. And the thing too is Edgar Allan Poe, I believe, was a New Englander. Anything from, whether it's Sleepy Hollow, New York, which isn't technically New England, or anywhere in Massachusetts. obviously Salem, but anywhere in Massachusetts. We really love our fall. Right. So spooky Halloween into Thanksgiving, those types of Thanksgiving. So I'm hoping for, again, Mary Shelley, maybe Emily Dickinson, another New Englander who wrote some actually quite eerie and sad and lonely, but also eerie poetry. So maybe that would be a nice, spooky experience. you know, Halloween, kind of that eerie, somber kind of thing. Very excited. And so we turn the key and we are greeted with Maya Angelou.

>> Marco Timpano: That was our room. Maya Angelou. So not spooky in any way, shape or form.

>> Amanda Barker: Empowering, in fact.

>> Marco Timpano: Yeah. And, it had various photos of her life framed on the walls.

>> Amanda Barker: She had quite a life. I learned a lot about her in that room.

>> Marco Timpano: It was great. And above the bed was the poem.

>> Amanda Barker: I believe it's called Still I Rise. Or maybe it's just called I Rise.

>> Marco Timpano: I think it's called Still I Rise. Or it looked like it was Still I Rise, because it was.

>> Amanda Barker: I mean, still I rise is the refrain in the poem. And it's a beautiful poem. And it was written over the bed. but also pictures of her as a singer in her youth, pictures of her political activism over the years, obviously pictures of her with Oprah, who was a big, big supporter and proponent of her work.

>> Marco Timpano: And friend.

>> Amanda Barker: And friend. Yeah. so just some really beautiful and empowering, photos, poems. and it was decorated in sort of a 1960s vibe a little bit.

>> Marco Timpano: Sure.

>> Amanda Barker: So you felt like maybe you're taking a rest from a march that day. Like it had that kind of vibe to it. Like maybe you were in Memphis or Dallas and you've now, you know, this is your little, you know, Middle America room.

>> Marco Timpano: Sure.

>> Amanda Barker: That's what it felt like. not Edgar Allan Poe, not that experience at all. So not the Halloween experience, but, you know. But an experience nonetheless.

>> Marco Timpano: Yes. Lovely.


If you have an interesting hotel, let us know. Send us a word on Instagram

And then we had the opportunity to see other rooms, because we did. We happened to run into two really

>> Amanda Barker: lovely people who were like, a very wonderful woman who was cleaning the rooms and seemed very happy to show us some rooms that we really.

>> Marco Timpano: And proud of the hotel.

>> Amanda Barker: And. And let me tell you, they were amazing.

>> Marco Timpano: Yeah, sure.

>> Amanda Barker: We saw some amazing rooms.

>> Marco Timpano: Which was your favorite?

>> Amanda Barker: Alice in Wonderland, actually, kind of the Lewis Carroll room kind of stood out to me. I liked the Oscar Wilde room. Seemed very interesting. how about you?

>> Marco Timpano: I really like the, Stan Lee room.

>> Amanda Barker: Oh, yeah.

>> Marco Timpano: I thought that was a cool room.

>> Amanda Barker: And.

>> Marco Timpano: And the Ernest Hemingway room was my favorite.

>> Amanda Barker: Hemingway was a great room. Yeah.

>> Marco Timpano: Yeah, I didn't think I would like that room based on photos I saw online. And then when you see it in real life, you're like, oh, this is a really cool room.

>> Amanda Barker: I actually think the online photos didn't do them all justice.

>> Marco Timpano: I agree. Because you don't get to see the view from those rooms. And like we said, it's right on the corner of the main street. And so you have really awesome views no matter where your room is.

>> Amanda Barker: Apparently in the Edgar Allan Poe room, it had a spooky history as well. We got a little extra tour, spooky goings on that have happened in that room. So, you know, and different people have different feelings about those types of things. But I quite love. I like to dig into that in October and even November. I enjoy the spooky fall.

>> Marco Timpano: There you go. So that was our trip, our weekend.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah. And we got to see the basement, which was really. It was just a really neat hotel, which, you know, it's smart because it could just easily have been a chain hotel or even just a, kind of nice older hotel with no real character other than the fact that it was a bit older or had been there a while. So they're very, very smart to do what they did. and I know there are a few. There are a lot of hotels that do this. I know there's a big one in LA called, the Madonna Inn.

>> Marco Timpano: Oh, I didn't know this.

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah. And every room is themed. I heard about this. And, there's also one in Chatham, Ontario, that I don't think it's all authors, but it's, themed rooms anyway. But being somebody who loves to read and being somebody with an English degree, I have to say I love the fact that they're all authors. And then being a Virgo, the only thing that, I'm kind of stuck on is the fact that there's a few that aren't maybe technically authors, but whatever.

>> Marco Timpano: Anyway, we've been talking a lot about hotels because we talked about the cool hotel in Ottawa, the Swiss hotel we went to. If you have an interesting hotel in your. Or you've been to an interesting hotel, let us know. Send us a word on Instagram. If you have photos or on Twitter or however you want to reach us, we'll be happy to know more about cool hotels, because I would love to stay in more interesting hotels.


Sometimes the city or the place is the destination, sometimes it's not

>> Amanda Barker: Well, and also, you know, there is something to be said, and I think this is something you and I have really kind of played with and discovered in the last two years that sometimes the city or the place is the destination, and sometimes you can't go to the city or place you want to go to for various reasons. So finding a landmark or an experience like that, I mean, Paris, Ontario, truly wasn't a town that we were like, gotta go there. and the only reason we did go there was because it was called Paris. So we were being a bit cheeky, I guess, in the fact that we thought, okay, we're going to Paris for Valentine's Day, even though we had no idea what it held or what there was to do. But once we discovered that hotel in Paris, kind of by a fluke, then, then it became this whole experience. Let's all go with our friends and stay at this hotel. And truly, the big part was the reveal. What room will you get? And how will that determine your experience?

>> Marco Timpano: Sure.

>> Amanda Barker: And I kind of love the idea of going to one of those hotels with some creative friends and each of us having to write a story in the style of that author.

>> Marco Timpano: Oh, cool.

>> Amanda Barker: Or a treatment for a, series in that author or whatever it is that you. Or a painting inspired by. I mean, you know, just something creative because it's such a. Each room is such an homage to each of these people and their lives. I just think, what a wonderful experience.

>> Marco Timpano: Of course. Yeah.


You love Canadian literature, but you don't read Canadian literature

you know, one of the things I love, too, is, you know, how you mentioned the authors and the theme of that and how, you know, you're a big fan of. You're a big fan of reading and books and whatnot.

>> Amanda Barker: I am.

>> Marco Timpano: Ah, you have a book club. You're in a book gang.

>> Amanda Barker: I guess you could say I'm in a book gang. Yeah. And actually, the book club was something. And I've talked about it on the show. Something that I did, did, for me, for my personal kind of development and mental health, because I felt like I had a lot of the same friends. And it's harder when you're older and I'm in my 40s, where you want to expand your circle of friends. And I just thought, what a way to do it. And through books.

>> Marco Timpano: It's so interesting because I'm working on this podcast called Getting lit with Linda

>> Amanda Barker: Which is an excellent podcast with Linda

>> Marco Timpano: Mora is the host. It's a Canadian literature podcast, and I don't read Canadian literature.

>> Amanda Barker: And I do.

>> Marco Timpano: And you do. You love Canadian literature. And actually, some of your recommendations I've mentioned are going to be, on the podcast in the future. But I digress. So Linda talks about these books on the podcast and I feel like I have a connection to these books even though I haven't read them. And so I get to experience them through her sort of conversation of how they intersect with her life. And so I've been you know, really fascinating and been looking into a bunch of books that were mentioned on the podcast. And it's interesting because I'm a producer on it and I recommended a book for her to read.

>> Marco Timpano: Hadn't read it, but I recommended she read it. She read the book and it was a book that really she had to put down sometimes because it was a very powerful book. And so it's funny how books are really connecting me through podcasting. And then today I listened to a podcast and it had a poet on it. And the poem that she reads at the end of that episode is so wonderful. The podcast is called Stories from the Land. It's an indigenous podcast and it's a series of collection of indigenous community sourced stories and told by various people. And this particular episode called Bush Love and Powwow Snags, Geraldine King reads a few of her poems and you know, the content can be not for everyone because it's strong and they have some sexual themes. But her last poem about the birth of her son was so powerful and so wonderful. And I recommend this podcast that deals with stories called Stories from the Land.

>> Amanda Barker: And I just. Because I'm a bit confused. So if any listener has similar reference points as me, isn't there also something coming out by CBC a documentary called Stories from the Land?

>> Marco Timpano: It could be, I don't know if

>> Amanda Barker: it's, if it's Linda posted about it. That's why I'm wondering.

>> Marco Timpano: No, I think that's about authors. You can take a quick look.

>> Amanda Barker: Two things.

>> Marco Timpano: So this is a podcast called Stories from the Land.

>> Amanda Barker: Oh, I see. Okay.

>> Marco Timpano: And you know, as interest, you know, I just discovered it this past week and turns out I actually know someone who's involved in producing it or who started the whole podcast up called and his name is Ryan McMahon and I've known him from when I started doing Comedy in the City. And then, you know, your lives sort of intersect and then they go, they go in a different direction and then they meet up again. And so I saw him at a webinar, he was talking about his podcast and I was like, oh, I'm going to check it out. And then this powerful poem sort of really struck me. So I really enjoyed it. I really recommend it.

>> Amanda Barker: So I figured out my confusion.

>> Marco Timpano: Sure.

>> Amanda Barker: Writing the Land is different. Writing the Land is a documentary series celebrating Canadian literature to air on CBC gem. Okay, That's Righting the Land. CBC gem, by the way, for those who are not, Canadian is. I think you can get it anywhere. It's a streaming platform full of Canadian content. I believe it's free.

>> Marco Timpano: And you have a show that's on CBC gem.

>> Amanda Barker: I do have a. Hey, listen, if you're on CBC gem, and you're like, hey, I need some new shows to binge Canada makes some fun and funny stuff. Then since you led me to it, I guess I'll plug the show that I'm on, which is called Overlord and the Underwoods. So, a family show. It's very fun. And I play a quirky teacher on that one. Mrs. Pressburger is my name. I'm in the second episode. Apparently. Haven't, done a deep dive yet. But, yeah, Writing the Land anyway. And there are a lot of wonderful Indigenous authors as part of that as well, that series. but Stories from the Land is what you were talking about, which is an amazing podcast that I'm really excited to check out.


What are suburbs of Toronto if Ajax is not part of that group

>> Marco Timpano: Well, we're gonna actually end this episode now because you and I have to get to Ajax, Ontario.

>> Amanda Barker: We're gonna drive across the land to

>> Marco Timpano: Ajax, Ontario, because I have to get an MRI on my foot.

>> Amanda Barker: Well, okay, that's a lot of detail. But I thought, hey, let's make a fun afternoon out of it, and you and I will take a road trip to Ajax.

>> Marco Timpano: That's right.

>> Amanda Barker: Who doesn't want a road trip to Ajax?

>> Marco Timpano: Well, the person who's getting an MRI on his foot.

>> Amanda Barker: No, it'll be fine.

>> Marco Timpano: I'll be fine.

>> Amanda Barker: We'll have a coffee. Sure. We'll see the fall colors.

>> Marco Timpano: It's true.

>> Amanda Barker: It's not that far. We're making it like it's really far.

>> Marco Timpano: Maybe an hour and 20 minutes.

>> Amanda Barker: I mean, it'll take a while, but, it's a suburb of Toronto.

>> Marco Timpano: But it's not a suburb of Toronto.

>> Amanda Barker: It certainly is.

>> Marco Timpano: It's more of a suburb. Like, it's further than a suburb.

>> Amanda Barker: Okay, hang on. What are suburbs of Toronto if Ajax is not part of that group?

>> Marco Timpano: I don't think Ajax is a suburb. I think it's its own sort of thing.

>> Amanda Barker: It's a suburb of Toronto.

>> Marco Timpano: So what's past Scarborough?

>> Amanda Barker: Scarborough's part of Toronto, Mississippi.

>> Marco Timpano: Right. But after Scarborough, Pickering.

>> Amanda Barker: Pickering is a suburb of Toronto, but so is Ajax. Okay. Well, I don't know what your definition. If it has to. I think in your definition, if I'm understanding correctly, the suburb has to touch the city limits.

>> Marco Timpano: Yeah.

>> Amanda Barker: Like, it has to border the city on one side.

>> Marco Timpano: I think so.

>> Amanda Barker: See, I don't think so. Okay, well, let's see what our Orangeville

>> Marco Timpano: you could consider as a suburb of Toronto.

>> Amanda Barker: That's very far. Remarkable. Okay, that's very far.

>> Marco Timpano: Is Oshawa a suburb of Toronto?

>> Amanda Barker: See, I would argue it is, but I would.

>> Marco Timpano: You would?

>> Amanda Barker: Yeah.

>> Marco Timpano: No, really? No. See, you and I have different ideas

>> Amanda Barker: of what the suburbs are.

>> Marco Timpano: Yeah. What's a suburb of Fredericton?

>> Amanda Barker: Well, Fredericton's small, but Nashwa. Cis.

>> Marco Timpano: Okay, since you asked, I'll concede there. What's a suburb of Boston?

>> Amanda Barker: where I lived, Hanover. And that did not border Boston. That's why I think of suburbs as like, the wholesale shore would be considered suburbs of Boston.

>> Marco Timpano: Oh, so then Hyannis is a suburb?

>> Amanda Barker: No, it's on the Cape. That's Cape Cod. But anything prior to that. Norwell. Do you want me to start listing them? Brockton, Pembroke.

>> Marco Timpano: We have a whole episode where.

>> Amanda Barker: Scituate, Marshfield.

>> Marco Timpano: We have a whole episode with your father where he talks about all these. All these suburbs. Okay, well, thank you for listening once again. let us know if you hear anything that is, jarring on the podcast. And if I can correct it, I will. Until then, I hope this episode brought you some peace, tranquility, and maybe some sleep.