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​Koi, Brooklynwear & the Road to Music
(Oridinal airdate: Oct 2, 2016)

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Marco Timpano interviews Phi:  Bulani about his koi pond

I'm your host, Marco Timpano, and joining me on this podcast is, uh, dear friend, FAI Bulani. Welcome to the Insomnia Project.

Phi:  Thank you very much, Marco. It's a pleasure to be here.

Marco:  You know, Phi: , you inspired one of our earliest, uh, episodes when we talked about koi, because you have a beautiful koi pond in the back of your home.

Phi:  Yes, I do. I'm very fortunate to, um, be one of the few people, at least in my backyard that has koi.

Marco:  I've always been fascinated by fish, so when I found out that you had a koi pond, I was fascinated. So tell me about. Because this is relatively recent, how long have you had that pod?

Phi:  Well, um, we moved to Stratford in 2006.

Marco:  And that's Stratford, Ontario.

Phi:  Stratford, Ontario, that's correct. And, um, home of the Shakespeare Festival and the, um, Pork Congress of Ontario.

Marco:  And Fais Koi Pond.

Phi:  And Fais Koi Pond now world famous thanks to, uh, this podcast.

Marco:  Awesome.

Phi:  And, uh, yeah, we have, um, probably about, you know, three to four actual koi.

Marco:  Okay.

Phi:  Um, some of the other fish, uh, that resemble koi, that you could easily mistake for koi, are shun bunkens. Now, I might not be saying that correctly, but I love the word nonetheless. It's a great word. It almost sounds edible. But we don't eat them. Fair.

Marco:  But the cranes do.

Phi:  Right.

Marco:  Didn't you have a problem with cranes?

Phi:  We did. We. We had the herrings, Those great blue herrings. Now, we also have a rather large swimming pool. It's 20 by 40. And this herring would come and light down upon the middle, like where the diving board used to be. Remove the diving board for, you know, safety precautions.

Marco:  Sure.

Phi:  And. But this heron would just be the master of all it surveyed. And it was also scoping out the fish, of course.

Marco:  Uh-huh. So he had a little snack, or she had a little snack.

Phi:  Yeah, undoubtedly. And I was able to scare it away by clapping repeatedly.

Marco:  Well, you know. You know, I do that with the squirrels and the raccoons.

Phi:  And as much as as elegant as a bird as it is and beautiful to look at. You don't want it eating your koi.

Marco:  No.

Phi:  And it'll scare the other fish. And the other fish might even just, you know, belly up.

Marco:  Because of fright.

Phi:  Because of fright. And fortunately, the time of year that it was, um, one of the things that we put in our koi pond are oxygenators. There's different types. And you put them in the pond and they sort of flourish. So you can put one plant in and it'll flourish to, like, 10 or 12 plants.

Marco:  So an oxygenator is something that brings oxygen to the pond, whether it be a plant or whether it be actual, like tubes that blow water in it.

Phi:  Exactly. Well, these. Yeah, uh, I'm speaking of the plants that we will put in. And some of them are sort of, um. They look like little corsages in the water, and then some of them look like soft pine needles. But it's really fascinating because you put the oxygenator in and it provides oxygen for the fish.

Marco:  Now, wait a second. Is the oxygenator the plant, or is it some sort of substance that you're putting in?

Phi:  No, no, it's the plant.

Marco:  It's a plant.

Phi:  Yeah, sorry. We refer to m them as oxygenators. And it's good to clear that up because there are products that you can put into the pond. But I don't tend to do that. I keep it au naturel.

Marco:  That's great.

Phi:  It's a natural ecosystem within itself. And there's, uh, frogs in the corypod. I saw a bunch of tads. You've seen the tadpole action. Those frogs get busy, I bet. And they're singing all night long. Oh, sometimes we have to get them out of the swimming pool back into the pond.

Marco:  Do you clap at them?

Phi:  I don't clap at them at that point. I clap after they've been productive.

Marco:  Okay.

Phi:  And, you know, sure, just provide support. Why not, uh, m. And then, uh, let's see what else is floating around in that pond. We have the koi, the, uh, shunbunkins, if I'm saying that correctly. And hopefully there'll be somebody out there that can either, you know, clear up my pronunciation. I think that would. I would welcome that.

Marco:  You know, we have a lot of our listeners who will tweet, uh, us listenandsleep, and they'll give us hints or suggestions. And, um, I'm certain somebody will inform us.


One of the things we love about koi is the variety of colors

Now, what's the difference between a shunbanken and a koi?

Phi:  The way the thing that's most distinctive, of course, about koi that we love is. Is the variety of colors. And most people, when they think of koi, they think of maybe paintings. You'll see water paintings where they're orange and white, but there's all kinds of different, uh, colors of koi. The Shambakans as well, have a variety of colors, but it's mostly in the taper of their fins. They have a nice long, sort of elegant fin. I see that, um, you can follow through the water quite often if they're trying to hide beneath the oxygenators. If they feel they're throwing threatened. Right. You might see them quickly swim, and you just catch the end of their tail. So you have to kind of sneak up on them like a ninja. Right. If I want to get any photos or actually see them or maybe try to feed them. That's the other great thing about this pond, that as it's established, we leave it au natural and they feed off of. Sometimes if it's very quiet, you can go out and you can hear them, the koi and the other fish. They even have a large goldfish in there chomping on some of the plant life. So you can hear them chomp. You can hear it. And it's really quite a crisp sound. It sounds like somebody eating a salad. Okay. And they chomp away. And, you know, it's hard to duplicate that sound right now, but you can imagine someone eating a nice crisp piece of lettuce. Okay. And that's what it sounds like. But it's at the pond level. And then if you go a little closer, you might hear something splash into the pond. And that's probably the king frog that, you know, seems to be master of the pond for this season.

Marco:  Amazing.

Phi:  Yeah. Bright Kermit green, you know.

Marco:  Oh, it sounds like a regal frog.

Phi:  Yes, very regal.

Marco:  So you have, uh, if I'm not mistaken, koi shun Bunkins and a goldfish.

Phi:  Yes.

Marco:  For good measure.

Phi:  Like, did you just. There he was. Or she was so beautiful. I wasn't able to check that. The, uh, you know, the male female aspect, I'm still not quite sure on that. But we do know that we have both male and female because we have very successfully, every year, had them reproduced.

Marco:  Oh, that's wonderful.

Phi:  So we might buy four or five koi. We might lose a few over the season to who knows what, you know, various fright herrings, maybe the otter raccoon.

Marco:  Oh, wow.

Phi:  Which you. We've been very fortunate with. But we have had on one occasion a raccoon sipping from the pond and I'm sure wanting to devour some tasty sushi.

Marco:  I can't tell you the frustration that I have with raccoons in our backyard.

Phi:  It's just uh, I know they're, they're, they're, they're quite um, socialized in Toronto, aren't they?

Marco:  Yeah, they're very. And they're unafraid. Yeah, they're very bold. They travel in packs. They're like little gang animals, just wreak havoc on the community. So I have no love.

Phi:  They're out there with their little masks.

Marco:  You don't know what they're gonna get

Phi:  out of, know who they really are.

Marco:  And they fit into the smallest little places and they climb. They're, they're just very horribly resourceful.


Vi: I'm looking for some extremely loud shirts for Brooklyn shoot

But back to the pond. You might hear a siren right now. We're actually recording this in Brooklyn, New York.

Phi:  So city brimming with activity.

Marco:  It is, it is. Have you had a chance to, to go out?

Phi:  Um, did have a little stroll around town. I, I found a really cool hip men's clothing store which I'm hoping to look at. I think it's called Jive.

Marco:  What are you looking for?

Phi:  Just, uh, I'm looking for some extremely loud shirts. I think I'm looking for something that's you, uh, know says Brooklyn without saying Brooklyn written across it.

Marco:  Are you someone who can wear a vest?

Phi:  You know what? I, uh, maybe with a suit. But I'm not a person that selects to wear a vest over just a shirt. For some reason. I never got into that look.

Marco:  I can't wear vest. I'm barrel chested. So if I wear a vest, it looks like I'm wearing an actual barrel. I'm gonna go over. Do you remember, I don't know, back in the 50s, I think it was like a costume people would wear would be. Which would be like a barrel with suspension suspenders. You don't see it on like the Flintstones or something. Like a crazy uncle.

Phi:  It was a classic look. Yeah. That's what I look like when I wear a vest.

Marco:  Uh, I'm just getting into like wearing bow ties. I never thought I could get a, um, carry a bow tie. I thought I was strictly a cravat type person.

Phi:  Yes.

Marco:  But uh, my buddy Matt, um, did a, did a proper bow tie for me.

Phi:  So it wasn't a clip on, it was an actual tie. You got to tie it. Yeah, I think those are better.

Marco:  They are.

Marco:  They're hard.

Phi:  Yeah.

Marco:  I can do many different sort of knots on a cravat because I went to Catholic school, we had to wear a uniform.

Phi:  Right.

Marco:  And so, you know, you pass the time. Ties. But, uh, the bow tie I find difficult. It's like we have this contraption at the cottage which is like a. Like a little tent that it folds into a circle into, like, a pretty big circle.

Phi:  Okay.

Marco:  And when you pull it out, it just expands and pops into a little. A small, little tenty thing that you can go in and get some color from the sun. The problem, Vi, is closing that thing back up because it's all like spring action and, like, flexible.

Phi:  It sounds like a bounce.

Marco:  That's for a one. That's exactly what it's like. And for our listeners, a bounce is what they use to bounce light onto the actor. So they'll use this sort of screened little circle that's usually white or like a silver, uh, metallic. And the light hits it. They're able to bounce light onto the

Phi:  object of their design.

Marco:  So it's kind of like that. And whenever I go to close it, it's like I almost don't want to take it out of its little shell because it's impossible to close. You have to sort of make it into a taco and then turn the taco inside out. And you've got to make sure you don't bend the wire, but pull it down. And then by some miracle, it'll collapse. Every once in a while, it'll collapse into itself very easily. And my wife will look at me

Marco:  like, you were amazing.

Phi:  How did you do that?

Marco:  And then Sometimes I'm spending 27 minutes and it just looks like a horrible mess, but I get it into the little bag. So you're looking for a loud shirt.

Phi:  For what?

Marco:  A loud shirt, you said.

Phi:  Yeah, a loud shirt. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I think so. Something that, you know. You know, I like to come back. And of course, there's always things that you can bring back to, say, Brooklyn, sure. Or NYC or Iheart New York, but. Which are all cool. And. But I think if I can bring back something that feels like, yeah, I totally wear that in Brooklyn, see if I can get away with it in

Marco:  Stratford without advertising that you were in Brooklyn.

Phi:  That's right. That's right. It's always, you know, a nice, uh, statement piece. Yeah. No, we got this in Brooklyn.


My biggest concern for the koi is in the winter time

Marco:  Now, going back to the koi, I just have a couple more questions. Tell me about what's the most difficult aspect about having a koi pond?

Phi:  My biggest concern for the koi is in the winter time. Okay. Yeah.

Marco:  So what? Because Canada has harsh winters, but in particular, Stratford, Ontario, if I'm not mistaken, is in what we call a snow belt.

Phi:  Yes. It has its own private snow belt that it, um, really buckles down on. And there is, yeah, deep, deep freeze. Last year the frost line went down, you know, probably twice as far as it normally would. It was so cold.

Marco:  Wow.

Phi:  Or maybe that was the year before. Um, regardless, the frost line, yeah, it's, it's, it's. You got to go down deep to avoid that. So that means this particular pond isn't that deep. Right. So we need to keep the pump circulating. I see. And keep the water circulating so that there's gases are released from the fish, from the koi. And then that, uh, that's the biggest concern in that they don't freeze. They can get deep enough and they stay very still. They almost look like sometimes they're so still when they're alive that, um, you think that they, they weren't alive. Right. But in the winter, as they're coming out of their hibernation or their deep freeze, um, I've never actually seen them sort of get out and stretch their fins. They just all a sudden the water's warmed up and they're more active. And you're just thrilled to see that, oh, they made it through the winter. That's cool. Because you can't. Exactly. Big sigh of relief. And, um, because otherwise you don't really know. I mean, I can go back and check, but I'm not going to see them through the ice. I can't break the ice. That'll disturb them. Sure. And then, uh, you just need to keep it circulating, some bubbling. They need just the water bubbling. I think that their digestive system slows down, which is another interesting thing. Because fish that are larger, they grow to the size of what they eat. And that's a kind of nice thing. Another nice thing about, um, not. We don't really feed them. I feed them on occasion, um, if they seem hungry, but most of the time I'll throw some food in and wait. And they're not interested? No, they're, they're well fed. Wow. So having said that, it's like, you know, they, they, they go up and down in size.

Marco:  Okay.

Phi:  You know, and sometime during the season, they obviously get it on. Right. Because there's little baby koi, which are really tiny. Like they're like less than, like your thumb, like an inch. Yeah, they're very small. And you see them darting over the

Marco:  place and have any of them grown to full size, size now that you've had that.

Phi:  Like, do you have any, like, any sizable ones? The goldfish is probably the largest fish. No, but I mean, if the babies. Yeah, yeah, they, they do grow into, you know, they. Yeah, they go into adulthood. Yeah. It's really, it's really something to see these little schools. You know, it's not a lot of them because there's probably only. I don't know, there might be a dozen. Right. Various fish in there. Um, but, uh, yeah, it's exciting to watch them float around.


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The koi do seem to eat. I think they eat the roots

Marco:  What about those lotus flowers? Do you have any of those?

Phi:  We do. Um, we do. They're so beautiful. They're gorgeous. And they do come back every year. And the one thing you have to be mindful of is that you trim the roots back in the baskets that you have the plant in. However, having said that, the koi do seem to eat. I think they eat those, uh, the roots. The roots. So you want to be. You want to pick your times when you do that so that you're kind of not fussing too much with that ecosystem that's been established.

Marco:  Lotus root is delicious.

Phi:  Is it? Have you ever had it? I Haven't. At least I don't think I have

Marco:  when I go for Korean food. And I could be completely wrong. So I'm sure somebody will. I often I remember getting this. They'll give you these like, um. Oh, I wish I remember the name. It. They're like little appetizers that they give you before.

Phi:  Before you like a kimchi or it'll be spicy cabbage.

Marco:  Yeah, it'll be kimchi. It'll be, um. Sometimes it'll be sprouts, uh, and beans. And every once in a while I'll get like a pickled lotus root. And it has a really interesting. Just look to it. It kind of has, um, little sort of cutout circles inside it.

Phi:  Oh, yes. Okay. I have had those. That's picture. Pickled lotus.

Marco:  Yeah. I could be wrong, but, like. Because if I'm not mistaken, it's like, um. What do they call those things? Like a. Like, you know how ginger is a roiza?

Phi:  Um. Oh, like a crucifer. Is that the right term?

Marco:  I always do this.

Phi:  Yeah. Rhizome.

Marco:  Rhizome, that's it. I think it's like a rhizome because it kind of looks like that. So I guess they cut it and pickle it or whatever. And it's. It's.

Phi:  I think it's amazing that, you know, whoever discovered to eat that, you know, must have been somewhat hungry.

Marco:  Sure.

Phi:  And to go, oh, I'll eat this. It looks like a potato. Yeah.

Marco:  If the koi is ready to eat,

Phi:  the koi's are eating.


Are you a fan of ginger? I love ginger. I think it's very good for us

Marco:  Are you a fan of ginger?

Phi:  I love ginger. Yeah. Ah, it's very good. It's. I think it's very good for us. Good for our stomach and our digestion. But I also think it's just the best flavor.

Marco:  I was told if you have a cold and you draw a warm bath and you chop some ginger and put it in there, it helps to soothe aches and pains and colds.

Phi:  Yeah.

Marco:  And I've done it, but it feels like you're in a soup. It feels like.

Phi:  Are you putting it in a tub? Are you immersing yourself in it? Well, how much ginger? How many roots do you use? Are you using, like your vegematic to chop it up?

Marco:  I'm just chopping into thin pieces. Maybe, you know, the size of. The size of. I don't know.

Phi:  So a good size for ginger root. You chop it up, put it in the water.

Marco:  The size of the palm of your hand.

Phi:  Okay.

Marco:  Chop it up, throw it in the. In the warm bath.

Phi:  Yeah.

Marco:  It'll you'll have a ginger sort of scent in the air. Ah.

Phi:  Uh, that's nice.

Marco:  So. And I remember reading somewhere that if you hang eucalyptus on your shower head.

Phi:  Yeah.

Marco:  The steam from the shower will cause the eucalyptus to, uh, release its oils.

Phi:  And it'll really be helpful for people

Marco:  to sing or for people who.

Phi:  I like. I. Ah. Am. Yeah. Yeah. I like that eucalyptus idea. And. And it's. But it's like a potted eucalyptus that. You know.

Marco:  What. Or it wasn't what I did.

Phi:  Yeah.

Marco:  Maybe a potted eucalyptus would be the smart way to go, but I don't know how you'd have that in the shower. You could probably have it in your bathroom.

Phi:  Right? Yeah.

Marco:  It was actual eucalyptus leaves.

Phi:  Oh. Like a stem of eucalyptus.

Marco:  I tied on a string and put it on my shower head. And then away. And away I went. Wow. It didn't improve my singing, though.

Phi:  It didn't.

Marco:  When did you discover that you could sing?

Phi:  Um, I think I probably fancied myself a singer from a very young age. Yeah. My, um. My mom was a great encouragement to me that way. And I would some. You know, I'd sing very high as a kid. You know, I can sing like a girl. You know, like, I can sing high, like, you know, and I would ever sing. Sure. Some soprano note, like a boy. So soprano. And then m. Probably. You know, my family was very, very, um, indulgent with me. You know, my. My older brother, Brad Healy played a lot of Three Dog Night. Okay. So I'd perform, like, Chuck Negron songs, you know, and Eli is coming and try to do some of the harmonies. And he was the only one singer, but I'd have this stretchy arm, um, exerciser that looked like a microphone.

Marco:  Okay.

Phi:  So that was my micro.

Marco:  One of those things that's kind of like a bar and you bend it.

Phi:  Well, actually, no, it was even just stretchy. Like, it was just like a. Like a Stretch Armstrong. But the tension was more.

Marco:  I had a Stretch Armstrong.

Phi:  Did you? He was the best.

Marco:  All I wanted for Christmas was a Stretch Armstrong. And for those of you who don't know what a Stretch Armstrong, it was a doll.

Phi:  Yeah. Kind of like a burly wrestler.


Kind of like if Aquaman was a wrestler. Yeah. He did look like Aquaman

Marco:  Yeah. Kind of like if Aquaman was a wrestler.

Phi:  Yeah, exactly. He did look like Aquaman.

Marco:  And you would stretch his arms so you could just pull on his arms and legs and stretch them as far as your little, you know, kid hands can stretch. And then you'd let go and it

Phi:  would go back, and he'd go back into shape. It was the best thing.

Marco:  Sorry.


Marcus, what's it like to perform as Elvis

Marco:  But back to your, uh, faux microphone.

Phi:  Oh, yeah, yeah. So that was my microphone. Then I decided I needed a stage, and my parents had this shiny comforter that has silver and a purple.

Marco:  Oh, cool.

Phi:  And sometimes, depending on my mood, I guess I would throw down either side. So sometimes the stage would be purple, and sometimes it'd be silver. Prince used to do that

Marco:  during Good Company.

Phi:  Thank you. But I think that, uh, what was fun about that was, um. Then my sisters would get in on the act and they would put, like. Because Chuck had a mustache, Right. So they would do this mascara mustache, you know, all the way. Like a Chuck Negron look all the way down, you know, down to the chin. Or Was it that 70s look?

Marco:  Like a handlebar type?

Phi:  Yeah. So I'd really go to town on, you know, Eli's coming. Eli's a coming. Hide your heart. I love that song. Um, man.

Marco:  And so that's. And that was what brought you to music, or that was one of the things earlier. Yeah.

Phi:  I think we had a lot of music in the house and, you know, lots of stuff. And much later, you know. Well, not much later. Not much more later than that. But, you know, Elvis was a big presence in our house.

Marco:  Sure.

Phi:  And so we'd hear a lot of Elvis. And, you know, my mom had every Elvis record going all the time. And even in high school, I had a little bit of, uh. Sometimes I would come from high school, you know, and she'd have Elvis playing, and I'm like, oh, my God, not again. But, you know, as a result, I kind of learned every one of his songs. So it was, you know, payoff there.

Marco:  I ended up playing Elvis a few times in a few different.

Phi:  Yeah.

Marco:  What's it like to embody the King?

Phi:  You know, it's, uh, one of my favorite things. Yeah, for sure. I think it's just a lot of fun, and there's a lot of license. I think it gives you a lot of. As long as you take ownership of it, of course. I think you get, you know, there's a lot of payoff. The audience is somewhat built in, and as long as you stay true to. I think what most people. Everybody has a different idea about Elvis. He's a bit of a white whale that way. Nice canvas. So I think that enables the performer. Sure. To, um, you know, have a lot of freedom. Uh, and it's. It's, uh. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. You know, I love the music.

Marco:  So I saw you perform as Elvis, and, you know, when you're going to see a friend and a fellow performer in a play. You're hoping for the best, but you know that they're going to be impersonating an icon like Elvis. Part of your mind is like, wow, I hope it's not horrible.

Phi:  I hope he doesn't stink. Yeah. Not a big stank fest.

Marco:  So cuz, what do you say to the person afterwards? Right. And you don't look like Elvis. Like, not really anything for our listeners. You've got blue eyes and reddish hair. And so who we don't know, we've never seen you as Elvis. So I remember going and being a little bit nervous because you're like, okay, this is either going to be good or not good. And you were great. I was cheering as if, you know, Elvis was performing. It was fantastic Five. So it's, it's. Thank you, Marcus. It's pretty, it was a pretty awesome, uh, experience from, from someone. I, I think anytime you go see a fellow performer perform, you know, you see it through different, different eyes.

Phi:  This is true. Yeah.

Marco:  But I was, I totally bought in. It was totally a magical experience.

Phi:  Oh, that's fantastic. Thank you.


People you'd like to play include Elvis, Van Gogh and Moses

Marco:  People you'd like to play.

Phi:  You know, I've always had, uh, a love for Van Gogh. I think he'd be a really interesting person. And I wouldn't have to dye my hair. I'd just grow the beard. Sure.

Marco:  You could do that for Halloween.

Phi:  Yeah, I could, yeah.

Marco:  That's the costume that you have in your back pocket.

Marco:  Right, right.

Phi:  I do kind of like those, you know, those sort of, um, iconic, um, individuals in various. Whatever their discipline was, whether it was the impression. Impressionist for Van Gogh or Elvis for, for rock music or, you know, even, uh, even Jesus, you know. You know, I think that'd be a very compelling role to play. Sure. And uh, you just hope that you, you know, are able to play one of those roles before you, you know, in, in an appropriate time frame.

Marco:  Before you're. You're old enough to play Moses.

Phi:  That's right. That's right. It's a little tricky, you know, And

Marco:  I know you're a huge, huge comic book fan, so if you could portray any comic that hasn't appeared on the screen yet.

Phi:  Oh, yeah.

Marco:  Who would that be? Well, you know my Barbara Walters questions.

Phi:  You're not gonna make me cry. No, you might, you might. I'm close to it.

Marco:  We've only got two minutes.


I've always been a fan of Aquaman. I think it's because I had a love for under

Okay.

Phi:  Well, I better get the tears in my Aquaman. Um, you know, I always had an eye for Aquaman just, just because of My overall, you know, appearance.

Marco:  See, I've always been a fan of Aquaman. Back when I was a kid, it wasn't cool to be. No, it was always. Or, um. Because we used to. We would all take on a, um, superhero character.

Phi:  Yeah.

Marco:  And we'd go on my aunt's little balcony and jump off it.

Phi:  Nice.

Marco:  So there was always Batman, Superman, Robin, Cartwheel Girl, Wonder Woman. And I don't think Cartwheel Girl was.

Phi:  She's new. I haven't heard of her.

Marco:  I'm pretty sure my cousin could do cartwheels. And so that was her thing.

Phi:  That was good.

Marco:  And I would be Aquaman. And everyone kind of like, you can have Aquaman, right?

Phi:  Yeah. So you get first dibs on him every time.

Marco:  But I always thought he was cool. I think it's because I had a love for under. Under the water creatures.

Phi:  Yeah. And then. Yeah. And that's. That's one of the most extraordinary things about him. You know, communicating with these huge leviathan and sort of having that have them do what he needed them to do and living with them and not, you know, working against them.

Marco:  Sure.

Phi:  That was a, you know, that's a great superpower to have. And the swimming. I love swimming. So it's just an underwater. The peacefulness of that and the speed with which he can move through water. It's just so cool.

Marco:  There you go. Well, fai, you know, if you ever decide to write a biography on. I think the appropriate, um, title would be Swimming with Koi.


5 Bullenny: I wonder what Aquaman would tell your koi

We're back from where we started with Aquaman and Sea Creatures. And I wonder what he'd say to your koi or what he'd command them to do.

Phi:  This is a good question. Yeah, I think he'd tell, uh, them to, uh, go deep. Yeah.

Marco:  I hope next time I'm there, I find a little Aquaman figurine in your koi pond.

Phi:  That's a beautiful idea. I love that suggestion.

Marco:  You heard it here first. So, you know, no one. Your. Your wife and your son cannot complain if that happens, because we decided here

Phi:  on M. The Insomnia, we're definitely going to do that. Awesome.

Marco:  Well 5 Bullenny, thank you so much for being on our podcast today.

Phi:  Thank you so much, Marco. This is a fantastic experience.

Marco:  Awesome.


We're in Brooklyn. As always, we're, um, produced by Drumcast Productions

Phi:  We're in Brooklyn.

Marco:  There you go. As always, we're, um, produced by Drumcast Productions and we are recording in Brooklyn, New York.

Phi:  Sa. Sam. Hmm.