Renos and Special Spoilers | Relaxing Talk to Unwind and Drift Off

Looking for a relaxing sleep podcast to help you unwind, quiet busy thoughts, or gently fall asleep? In this episode of The Insomnia Project, Marco welcomes special guest Jim Kim for a calm and easygoing conversation about home renovations.
Together, they reflect on their recent renos, sharing the small details, unexpected moments, and quiet satisfaction that come with working on projects around the house. From planning improvements to the realities of getting the work done, the conversation gently wanders through the everyday experience of transforming a home.
Along the way, they hint at a special spoiler, adding a light touch of curiosity to this otherwise soothing discussion.
As always, the conversation unfolds at a relaxed, meandering pace — low-stakes and comforting, designed to ease anxiety, quiet the mind, and guide you toward rest.
Whether you’re winding down before bed, taking a break during the day, or enjoying calm background audio while you work, this episode offers a peaceful and cozy listening experience. And if you fall asleep before it ends, that’s exactly what we hope for.
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​Renos & Special Spoiler
(Original airdate: July 18, 2018)

 Welcome to the Insomnia Project. Sit back, relax and listen as we have a conversation about the mundane. One thing that we try to do is bring a conversation to you, our listeners that's less than fascinating so that you can just feel free to drip, drift off, chill and just enjoy. Thank you for joining us. We hope that you will listen and sleep. I'm your host, Marco Timpano and joining me today is a dear friend of mine, Jim Kim. Welcome to the Insomnia Project.

Jim Kim: Thank you for having me. I'm happy to be here yet again.

Marco:  Jim, I'm so glad to have you one because you're a dear friend of mine, but also because when we started the Insomnia Project as a um exhibit at the um Nuit Blanche, which is the 24 hour art festival, you were such a key player in that experience because Jim is my technical expert. Mai is a technical expert who I often rely on for my technical needs. But you helped make that art installation available to everyone through a like a you tell me.

Jim Kim: Well, we basically had to MacGyver a solution so we had a software platform. Um, but Then we also had to be able to broadcast this live, which was part of the, um, um, exhibit.

Marco:  Um, and so it was kind of the precursor. It was because of that that we started a podcast because. Yeah, because you helped to take what we were doing as an art installation and broadcast it. Now you did it live.

Jim Kim: Yes.

Marco:  And they were like, how can we do this? And we're like, podcast. But anyways, I'm sorry I cut you off.

Jim Kim: You were saying, no, no, that was pretty much it. And I think the, you know, I was there more, uh, as soon as everything was set up. You know, you just sort of hope and pray that everything goes smoothly. But I was across, like I lived across the street at the time, so I think at one point something did go wrong and I got a, like a frantic text message and so I just ran back across the street and fixed it and then that was it. And then it was hard because the one thing with Nuit Blanche is you are going all the, all the way through the night and you had guests coming in. Um, and so it was great to see. But also with the Insomnia project, it's effective. So it's hard to stay awake throughout the night. And so here I am trying to stay awake to make sure everything goes smoothly, but at the same time listening to the stream and dozing off. Right.

Marco:  So because it was 12 hours. Right. It started sunrise or. Sorry, sorry, sundown till sunrise.

Jim Kim: Mhm.

Marco:  Jim is at his home the entire time listening, not seeing the franticness that's going on behind the scenes other than when something wasn't going right.

Jim Kim: Yep.

Marco:  And so you were just dozing off.

Jim Kim: Uh, yeah.

Marco:  That's hilarious. And you played a vital role because we had all this food donated to us. And at a certain point we're like, we've got all this food and. And we're like, where are we going to store it? And we're like, Jim Kim's house. So we brought this food that was sort of contributed to our installation. And it was at your place and people would go to your house when they needed a drink or some, some moments of repose, you know, and it

Jim Kim: was, it was a great installation as well. Like I remember going. And, um, the hotel was, uh, very generous and just allowed people to come in and sit and sleep in the lobby.

Marco:  Yeah, people would fall asleep. I don't think the hotel realized when we sort of pitched, we got this hotel and they were happy to be a venue for an exhibit. Mhm. But they didn't know what they were gonna get yeah, we were thrilled to get them. And they just thought they would have some visual art displayed and people would come into their lobby. Meanwhile they had this group of people recording and broadcasting and people falling asleep in their lobby. And at a certain point they were like, well, there's nothing we can do. They were really cool about it though. It's the Hotel St. Germain in Toronto. If you're ever looking for a hotel, tell them the Insomnia Project sent you. Speaking of your home. So you are no longer in that location. It was a condo across the street. Correct. Now you're in your own home. And you've got a home in a beautiful town in Ontario called St. Catherine's yes.

Jim Kim: It's uh, one of the few places where, um, someone can buy a house for under a million dollars. Right. And I think that was a big thing. Um, and I'm not ashamed to say that I paid $250,000.

Marco:  Oh, that's amazing.

Jim Kim: For a detached three bedroom house.

Marco:  Oh, it's detached, yeah. Oh, that's great.

Jim Kim: Yeah. And that was something that I learned as well, uh, being in the, in the market. Like one of my friends helped me out and I didn't realize that there's a value to having a detached house rather than a semi detached or a row house for sure. For me, I, at the time, a house is a house, property is property. But he's like, no, if you have like. And then of course after this, I read an article about somebody who, uh, who had a terrible neighbor in a semi detached house and they left their place in disrepair and so raccoons were getting in.

>> Nidhi Khanna: Oh, wow.

Jim Kim: From their neighbor's house into their house. And so I was like, all right, I do need a detached house.

Marco:  We should also mention that these are, when we talk about prices, these are prices for Toronto. So if you live in the city of Toronto, like many m major metropolitan cities, you're not going to find a home for less, especially a detached home for less than a million.

Jim Kim: Yeah.

Marco:  Uh, and St. Catharines is between Toronto and Niagara Falls.

Jim Kim: I would say it's about an hour and 20 minutes driving.

Marco:  There you go.

Jim Kim: And they're going to be, they're supposed to be installing, uh, a train from a go train is supposed to extend to Niagara Falls eventually. And so then it'll be an hour on the train to Toronto.

Marco:  Yeah. And it's a beautiful, it's a beautiful city or town, whatever. Considered, um, a lot of the growing area is around St. Catherine's a lot of our growing belt or whatever. A lot of orchards and whatnot, if I'm not mistaken, are not far from there.

Jim Kim: I think you're correct. I don't know much about the city. Okay. Um, I go there, you know, periodically right now. But, um, it's. It seems to be a nice place. You know, it has its nice and terrible areas just like anywhere else.

Marco:  Sure.

Jim Kim: But, uh, yeah, I think the price was right good. Yeah.

Marco:  What was the biggest learning you received from purchasing a home that you would, you would convey to people listening?

Jim Kim: I think the biggest thing is there's a lot of upfront costs that you might not know about.

Marco:  Right.

Jim Kim: So there's a lawyer you have to pay for. There's, uh, you know, property taxes. And just I think I was going in and I'm like, oh, I have a decent down payment and that's it. The bank gives me money and I get it. And then later I find out there's, you know, at least two or three thousand dollars that I should have accounted for beforehand. And I was like, all right, well, now I know.

Marco:  There you go.

Jim Kim: Yeah. And that's before even, like, trying to do any renovations. Like, that's just so that I can take possession.

Marco:  Right.

Jim Kim: Yeah.

Marco:  Uh, you know, it's interesting. This isn't the first episode that we've done with regards to home buying and purchasing a home and dealing with the home. We have a two parter in season one with Alexandra. So if our listeners are like, wow, I'm finding this interesting. I invite you to go back and listen to those. And for those of you who are just finding this calm and cool, we're going to continue to talk about home renovations. Because now that home you've purchased, you've had it for what, uh, just under a year?

Jim Kim: Just under a year. About six months. Six or seven months, yeah.

Marco:  And now you're beginning to renovate the basement.

Jim Kim: The basement, yeah.

Marco:  Because I'm doing the exact same thing. So Jim came over and I'm like, jim, I gotta show you my basement. And so Jim is looking at it with a really, really astute eye and saying, oh, you're doing this and you're doing that. We're both in renovations. Yes.

Jim Kim: Yeah. So the basement, and that was another thing I think, was the cost of renovations. I grossly underestimated how much it was going to cost. Um, and then even with the correct costs in place, I grossly underestimated the amount of overages.

Marco:  Okay.

Jim Kim: That would happen. And it's not, you know, a shady contract or anything. Like there were legit problems that surface Once you tear things down, it happens to everyone.

Marco:  Here's my thing. You gotta always sort of keep your mind in the positive. You're doing something great. Ah. You're renoing your basement, your kitchen, your. Your bathroom. Blips are gonna come up that are gonna force you to sort of figure things out, but realize that you've sort of stepped into something that is ultimately gonna be great.

Jim Kim: Yeah.

Marco:  So for us, it was the tile. So our rental person had budgeted. Made a great budget. We had a great design. Um, jm and we're really excited. And then we're like, oh, but these aren't the tiles we want. Because our rental person was like, I provide everything. I'll show you. And it's like, okay, and here is. Here are your options. And we're like, no. And then we realized we want a nicer tile that's more expensive.

Jim Kim: Yeah.

Marco:  And so it's like, oh, what do we do? What do we do? And we're like, you know what? Let's put the money in the tile, because that's something that's going to be really featured, and we'll just figure out where we can save money and not sort of spend there. So that's. We. We're doing this kind of balancing act of like, okay, let's spend some here. Okay, we've come up with this. Let's save there.

Jim Kim: Let's.

Marco:  And whatnot.

Jim Kim: Are you doing any work yourself to try to save some money?

Marco:  That's a great question. Now, ordinarily, I would, and I have in the past, but with this particular renovation, we've decided that were going to use contractors. Um, just because. I don't know. I just. It's. It seems like a, um, project that's a little bit above what I can do, or it will just take too long for me to do it. It would take what. What might take what will hopefully take three months to four months would take me a year. Just clearing out the basement gym was. Was a task in itself. So I did that. We actually had an episode where I just talk about what I found in my basement. That microscope. You don't. Do you need a microscope?

Jim Kim: Strangely, no, I don't.

Marco:  Do you need a cooler? A giant cooler to cool drinks and stuff?

Jim Kim: No plates? No, I think we're good.

Marco:  Bowls.

Jim Kim: Yeah. Yeah. We're actually going the opposite way now. We're downsizing. We're clearing out some stuff because of the upcoming edition.

Marco:  Yes.

Jim Kim: Yeah.

Marco:  Congratulations.

Jim Kim: Thank you.

Marco:  So Jim and his wonderful wife are expecting.

Jim Kim: Yes. This is new news to us. Like relatively new news to us. And now I guess new news to everybody listening. But you, like, I think when you're living in a place long enough, you barely have enough space for your own stuff. And so then when you're like, well, there's somebody else coming in, then you're realizing you have, you have not allowed for anybody else to come in.

Marco:  Right.

Jim Kim: So you have to start clearing stuff out. And then you realize, like, I have a lot of stuff. Sure, yeah, yeah.

Marco:  And you have this little bundle of joy that's coming and now you've got to make space with this little bundle of joy. And you wouldn't expect a little bundle would need as much space as you're going to have to dedicate.

Jim Kim: Right, exactly.

Marco:  Because it sounds like Jim is going to be losing his office.

Jim Kim: Yeah, I think that's, that's, I think the most logical way of doing it. Like we've talked about. And there's like, you know, you talk about co sleeping, I think is a thing.

Marco:  Yes.

Jim Kim: And so we've talked about that. But at the same time, like, we sleep in the basement and we like it cold and that's probably not the best environment to raise a baby. Right. So, you know, uh, the option of putting a heater in the basement to, you know, make it more comfortable for the baby is an option, but then it would be really uncomfortable for us. Right. Because we both like it cold.

Marco:  I respect that. Uh, I like it cold too.

Jim Kim: Yeah.

Marco:  In our basement we're putting tile and our Reynolds guy said like, it's gonna be cold.

Jim Kim: Yeah.

Marco:  And I'm like, great.

Jim Kim: Mhm.

Marco:  He's like, but because I'm like, in the, in the summer, I love to be in a cool space.

Jim Kim: Yeah.

Marco:  And he's like, yeah, but the winter I'm like, we'll have a little electric fireplace and that'll warm. My basement's not huge, so it'll do the trick.

Jim Kim: Yeah.

Marco:  Otherwise a rug or throw on a cardigan is what I say.

Jim Kim: Exactly. Yeah. It's easier to put layers on. You can only take so many layers off to get warm.

Marco:  Yes.

Jim Kim: Right. That's why I'm more of a like a fall spring person than the summer.

Marco:  And people are like, jim, I'm shaking your hand right now. You can't hear this, but we're actually shaking our hands because I'm the same.

Jim Kim: Yeah. I think I've seen a few Facebook memes of people like a picture of Toronto in the winter and people saying like, if you, like, you can't complain about summer after Seeing this, I'm like, no, I, I prefer that winter to this summer.

Marco:  Here's my thing. And I know our listeners have heard this before, but I'm going to say it again. When the temperature is such in the fall that I can walk out of the house with just a sweater on, I couldn't be happier.

Jim Kim: Yeah, I get it.

Marco:  And I look good in sweaters. I like the way I look. I don't look great in T shirts and I can't wear those. What do you call them?

Jim Kim: Like tankless, sleeveless.

Marco:  And that's not, that's. Nobody wants to see that. So at least, uh, not on me. So I'm always too hot and sweaty.

Jim Kim: And you're Italian, you've got some hair happening on your arms. You have built in insulation.

Marco:  Listen, I certainly do. I certainly do. So, um, yeah,

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Marco:  Okay, so you've, you're going to alter your office for your, for your childhood? Yes.

Jim Kim: Well, that's, that's one of the plans. We are still deciding on so many things and not, uh, we haven't made any solid decisions on anything.

Marco:  What about baby names? Now, don't tell me if you have a baby name. I know you wouldn't, but has that come up in the conversation? Have you been bouncing around ideas that just came up?

Jim Kim: Okay, um, and so there we've sort of figured out a couple of rules.

Marco:  Okay. Um, this would. Can you share the rules with our listeners? Because.

Jim Kim: Yeah, I think one of the rules is we don't want it to be too unique.

Marco:  Okay.

Jim Kim: Like we don't want like Apple or, you know, those really stupid. Yeah. Um, and, like, there's a certain amount that will. That I'll accept. And I think there's like, sort of a sliding scale on this. But the one example that I brought up. And I hope this doesn't offend anybody or this isn't somebody's name.

Marco:  Don't mention it if you feel your spouse won't want you.

Jim Kim: Oh, no, no. This is. This is one that is on the no Fly list. Um, is. And I don't know if you've ever seen this, but I've seen it a couple times. Is the name Nevaeh.

Marco:  Okay.

Jim Kim: And people use that name because Nevaeh spelled. Or Nevaeh's heaven spelled backwards. Oh, right. And so people are like, oh, that's so beautiful. I'm like, that is just so corny.

Marco:  And I'm like, see, I love that. I think that's wonderful.

Jim Kim: Yeah, no, um, no.

Marco:  Okay.

Jim Kim: So, yeah, I'm not about that.

Marco:  Yeah, fair enough.

Jim Kim: Um, and then, like, standard names, like, like my. My wife's name is Jen, and she's like, that's a very common name. So, ah, she doesn't want anything too common. And then one of our friends recently passed away, and her name was Julie. And so we were thinking maybe Julie, but Julie Kim is like, the most common Korean name. Yeah, yeah. Korean English name. So we're like, we can't have that. Okay. Um, and then the other one, and this might be a weird one, is she can't have the initial ck.

Marco:  Ck. Okay.

Jim Kim: Yeah. So no Christine Kim.

Marco:  Okay.

Jim Kim: Or anything like that. And that's because of. And this might sound like almost like a stretch, but, um, because of the. Everything that happened with Louis C.K.

Marco:  oh, I see.

Jim Kim: Yeah.

Marco:  So now that makes sense because you're in the world of comedy. I respect that.

Jim Kim: Yeah.

Marco:  What about the name Mick M I

Jim Kim: C. That would make the baby sound like a, ah, McDonald's entree.

Marco:  Okay. What about Midge M, M I, J. Midge Kim.

Jim Kim: Yeah, that's like this backwards. That's right.

Marco:  That's what I did with both Mick and Jim to see. I wanted to test your theory of, like, these backwards things.

Jim Kim: If those would work for you, I probably wouldn't fly.

Marco:  Okay, fair enough.

Jim Kim: Yeah, fair enough. But we've also thought of, like, um, names that are genderless as well, so that. Gender neutral names. Yeah, gender neutral names. So, you know, uh, I don't know,

Marco:  like, okay, I can.

Jim Kim: Madison or something.

Marco:  I can tell you a bunch of gender neutral names because a lot of the work that I do when I do corporate Work. Because the role that I play could be played by a male or, um, female. Okay. Or someone who doesn't identify with a particular gender. We have these names that are, that could be either gender. And so we have names like Leslie.

Jim Kim: Okay.

Marco:  Kim.

Jim Kim: We can't have Kim.

Marco:  Right. Because Kim. Kim would be, um, a little bit odd. But I'm sure there's Kim. Kim's out there. Uh, Dale.

Jim Kim: Okay.

Marco:  Chris. Uh, what are some other names that we use? Um, uh, I just said I had so m. Many. Ashley.

Jim Kim: Okay.

Marco:  Yeah. Um, uh, Chris. I said Jean or Jean.

Jim Kim: Oh, yeah.

Marco:  So there's these names that we use that come up all the time because they could be used by any actor who, um, any actor who plays the

Jim Kim: role gene would be good because that also fulfills my wish. And it's not a requirement, but it's a wish of having some nerd cred. So if it was Nate, if her name happened to be shared with a comic book.

Marco:  So Jean Grey.

Jim Kim: Exactly. What about Gray? Gray. Gray Kim.

Marco:  Like as a middle name. So let's say it was like. Let's say you picked what's a common, common name. Let's pick one of these gender neutral names.

Jim Kim: Right.

Marco:  So that we don't identify. Uh, Leslie Gray Kim.

Jim Kim: Well, that would be good, except I think we also already have the middle name. Two or three middle names already. So I've been raised with the shortest legal name ever. Right, right. So to have like a 30 letter name I think would just be cruel. Cruel punishment for this child growing up and having to fill out application forms later on. So I'm trying to keep it as short as possible. So we'll, we'll see. I like the whole, um, Marvel's way of using alliteration with the names.

Marco:  Sure.

Jim Kim: So like Christine or Carol. Like that. The two hard C or K sounds I really like. But I don't know if that's gonna fly because I think Jenna's also afraid to have two K's in a name. All it takes is one more and.

Marco:  Yeah, fair enough. Yes, fair enough. Um, I'm not a huge fan of naming a child after a, uh, grandparent.

Jim Kim: Mhm.

Marco:  And if you're named after a grandparent or if this is what you did, more power to you. I'm only not a fan of it because my name was supposed to be my grandfather's name.

Jim Kim: Okay.

Marco:  Because in tradition, in, in particular with my dad who's from southern Italy, in tradition has it that you name your firstborn child after the grandparent. But my mom didn't like my grandfather's name and didn't want her son, myself to be named after my grandfather, which is. Which is Salvatore. Uh, Sal. So she was like, no and so forth. For her, it was important to have a name that could sound good in both Italian and in English or that she liked the sound of it in both languages.

Jim Kim: Okay.

Marco:  And so Marco won over Michael, which was her favorite name, her favorite English name. She likes how it sounds in English, which is Michael, but she wasn't such a big fan of how it sounded in Italian. Michele M. She liked Michael, and she was like, the problem is when we have relatives or when we go to Italy, his name won't sound the way I want it to sound.

Jim Kim: So she's thought. She. That's some good thought put in.

Marco:  She put a lot of thought into it. Yeah.

Jim Kim: Well, and the one thing is Korean tradition is that, um, the eldest of the prior generation. So my dad is the eldest of his generation. He becomes the patriarch of the family and gives all of our kids, um, their Korean name.

>> Nidhi Khanna: Oh, really?

Jim Kim: Right. And that's all based on, like, a certain structure as well. So it's either a common prefix or a common suffix amongst that generation.

Marco:  Amongst your dad's generation.

Jim Kim: Every generation has one common either prefix or suffix. So for my generation, we had a common prefix, and it's Ji. Okay. So, uh, my Korean name is Ji Sung.

Marco:  Okay.

Jim Kim: My brother's is Ji man, and et cetera, et cetera. So everybody in my generation has that, uh, for our kids. So my grandfather named us.

Marco:  Right, your grandfather did, yeah.

Jim Kim: And so my father is going to name our kids. Right. Uh, and they're all going to have the suffix of chic.

Marco:  Uh, chic.

Jim Kim: Yeah. So my nephew, his name is Hyun Sheik.

Marco:  That's his Korean name. By.

Jim Kim: By my uncle. By your dad. By my dad, because he's the eldest of that generation.

Marco:  So it's not even the grandfather of the child necessarily. It's the oldest in the lineage.

Jim Kim: It's the oldest of that generation of that generation. Yeah. So technically, based on this, my older brother, who's the oldest of his generation of my generation right now, um, will name our grandkids.

Marco:  Wow.

Jim Kim: Yeah. And like all of the grandkids. So my brother's grandkids, my grandkids, you know, my. Technically, my. My cousin's grandkids. Really, like anybody who's a Kim will

Marco:  have in your family, because there's a lot of Kims out there.

Jim Kim: Yeah. Yeah.

Marco:  Wow, that's fascinating. Okay, so how. How is it determined the preface the

Jim Kim: prefix or the suffix that I don't know. But I think it switches every generation

Marco:  to just something that. That gets known in the. In the South Korean or the Korean community.

Jim Kim: Okay. And so, yeah, my dad's generation, everybody has the suffix of kyung.

Marco:  Okay.

Jim Kim: So my dad's name is Taekyung, my uncle's Chan Kyung, etc. Etc. So that's a pretty cool Korean thing.

Marco:  That is a cool Korean tradition.

Jim Kim: Yeah. And so Jen is like. So I told Jen. I was just like, that doesn't have to go on the birth certificate. Right. That's just something like when the Korean relatives come.

Marco:  That's.

Jim Kim: Yeah, yeah.

Marco:  So who refers to you as Jaesung? My parents. Jisung. Jisung.

Jim Kim: Sorry. Jisung. My parents. And anybody. Anybody who's Korean, like, really Korean.

Marco:  So they don't call you Jim, your parents?

Jim Kim: No.

Marco:  Oh, that's.

Jim Kim: Yeah. So growing up, it was really confusing because, um, if I was playing with my friends, they all knew me as Jim, of course. But then if my mom's yelling at me from the front porch, she's yelling Jisung. Right. Um, and so then my friends, who I didn't. Who I went to school with, but, uh, were my friends on my street, all thought my name was Jason. Okay. Right. And then they all went to a different, uh, elementary school. And then, uh, for middle school, they came to my school. And when we shared the class, they. The teacher would be like, jim. And they're like, who's that? And it would be me. And they're like, no, his name is Jason. I was like, no, it's. It's gym, technically. And they're like, why do your parents call you Jason? And then. Then I would have to explain to them the whole Korean thing. And then, of course, you know, little Italian kids are like, your parents are weird. Right? Right. Right.

Marco:  Until you find out their traditions and whatnot.

Jim Kim: Yeah.

Marco:  Because my dad is named Bruno, but he would always tell a story of how when he came to Canada, people would try to call him Bruce because it was easier, but he hated the name Bruce, so he insisted they call him Bruno. And sometimes he would get into fights about it, and so he would always tell this story. So when I was in my mid-20s, as a joke, I started to call my dad Bruce, to which the reaction was he did not enjoy it at all. And he made it clear he didn't enjoy it. But the more he got angry, the more I would do it. So much so that my sister started calling Bruce, and my cousin started to call him Bruce. And every once in a while my mother would refer to him when she was talking to us as Bruce. So where we would formally call him dad, we were now calling him Bruce, which is not his name. And it would aggravate him. And at a certain point he just sort of conceded and we all called him Bruce. So friends who I met later on in life didn't think he was my father because I referred to him as Bruce. They thought maybe he was my stepfather or someone else because they didn't expect me to call my dad by his sort of anglicized first first name. So that was. That's a funny. Names. I find names so fascinating and the things that you can do with names and just the traditions with names as well.

Jim Kim: Yeah. Um, well, people, uh, every once in a while I get an email, like a soliciting business email. Uh, and the person will start it off by saying, dear, uh, James. And that's an immediate delete. I'm like you. You just tried to formalize my name, thinking that it would somehow make me feel better. But no, no. Oh, and one thing. Uh, I don't know if you've heard of this movie, but maybe it's something you should watch with your dad. Sure. It's a movie called they Call me Bruce. Right. Have you heard of this?

Marco:  I have. Uh, wait, who's in it?

Jim Kim: It's a Korean guy.

Marco:  Okay.

Jim Kim: No, no, it's an old 80s movie and it's a Korean guy who comes to America and he has a very difficult name. Or it's not that he has a difficult name is just because everybody he, uh, comes across thinks that because he's Asian he knows martial arts and he doesn't. But he fakes it thinking that he can get away with it. And he's an old. At the time he was like a well known Korean comedian, but he looked exactly like my uncle and I was convinced it was my uncle.

Marco:  And what's your uncle's name?

Jim Kim: My uncle's name is Chun Kyung.

Marco:  Okay.

Jim Kim: Um, and so I was convinced it was him and it looked exactly. And so when we saw it as a family, like we all. Like I was the youngest the one in the. The time and so I thought it was him. It wasn't him, but.

Marco:  Wow.

Jim Kim: Yeah, but it's a, It's a terrible 80s movie. But if you want something to make fun of your dad with, there you go. That might be something.

Marco:  Well, Jim Kim, Jae Sung.

Jim Kim: Jisung.

Marco:  Jisung. Yeah. Sorry.

Jim Kim: That's okay.

Marco:  Thank you. I never call you by your Korean name. Now I'm gonna try to learn it. Uh, thank you so much for being on this episode.

Jim Kim: Thank you for having me back.

Marco:  We were gonna talk about home renovations and we got into names and baby names. Congratulations to you and to Jen.

Jim Kim: Thank you.

Marco:  Than we wish you all the best. And we'll have you back once the baby is born to talk about what's going on then.

Jim Kim: Oh, my God. That's going to be just me venting, I'm sure.

Marco:  Not a problem. Well, thank you for listening, as always. The Insomnia, um, project is produced by drumcast Productions, and this episode was recorded in Toronto, Canada.