Staplers, Our Desks & Historical Times | Calm Conversations to Quiet Your Mind

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Marco Timpano and Nidhi Khanna explore desks, workspaces, and everyday office supplies in a relaxed, low-stimulation discussion perfect for bedtime listening. From organizing a desk to debating the best stapler, this episode turns familiar, everyday details into a cozy and calming experience.
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​Staplers, our Desks & Historical times
(Original airdate: Aug 28, 2016)

Marco:  Welcome to the Insomnia project. Lay back, sit back, stand up, just relax and listen. Because we're gonna have a conversation about the mundane. And one thing that we try to promise is that our conversation will be less than fascinating so that you can feel free to drift off. And if you aren't able to drift off and you're just able to sort of listen to us ramble on, then we hope you just relax and get in a state of chillness is how I would describe it just a state of non worrying. Thank you for listening and thank you for joining us. We hope that you will end up listening and falling asleep. I'm your host, Marco Timpano.

Nidhi:  And I'm your co host, Nidhi Khanna.

Marco:  Nidhi, what do you have at your desk, whether it be at work or at home? Do you have certain things that you need at your desk? And is there a difference between your desk at work and your desk at home?

Nidhi:  Oh, good question.

Marco:  It's a little series of questions. Yeah, there's, there's a few questions.

Nidhi:  Desk questions, Robin.

Marco:  Desk questions.

Nidhi:  You know, and they say like, you can tell a lot about someone's personality by what they have on their desk. Oh, I don't know if that's true.

Marco:  Sure.

Nidhi:  I may have also just made that up, but it sounds like something someone would say.

Marco:  I was, I was buying into it for sure.

Nidhi:  Well, it might be true, but I

Marco:  just want to let everybody know that nitty spilt my water all over the area that I'm currently working in.

Nidhi:  So that's why I don't keep water in glasses at my desk.

Marco:  Oh, what do you keep them in?

Nidhi:  I keep it in like a bottle, like a, like a, like a glass,

Marco:  like a Perrier bottle. Or like, or do you have a special.

Nidhi:  Like I have one of those boss bottles or something like that that I put it in because then it also helps me make sure that I'm still hydrated when I'm at work.

Marco:  Okay.

Nidhi:  So I always have some water.

Marco:  Sure.

Nidhi:  I also have, um, a series of desks. Like a desk. A series of desks. I have one desk. One desk. Um, no, a series of like, I don't know how to describe it, like ah, folders or like folder organizers.

Marco:  Okay.

Nidhi:  So that, like, there's. There's usually layered. Three layers. And, you know, things that are meant to be for signature. 1.

Marco:  You're a filer, so you've got, like

Nidhi:  a. I'm a filer.

Marco:  Okay.

Nidhi:  But then I also get. So here's the interesting thing, Marco. I would like to think that I'm very organized and neat.

Marco:  Okay.

Nidhi:  And then I'll go. And it'll get messy because it's like, okay, I had five meetings in a row, and I'll just dump a file somewhere.

Marco:  Sort of the nature of the work. It piles on or throughout the day. Things land on your desk, and I'll be okay for.

Nidhi:  For a little while with it. Like that. And then I'll have these moments of just where, like, I don't know what it is. Like, it's like, all I need to do is rip up paper. M. Declutter.

Marco:  Okay.

Nidhi:  I get rid of everything. Which is fine when you're at home.

Marco:  Sure.

Nidhi:  But when you're at work and you start, like, ripping up files and saying, I don't need this anymore. I don't need this anymore. Get off my desk. Um. It's not a good situation.

Marco:  I see. I see.

Nidhi:  It can. Or it can lead to a very problematic situation.

Marco:  Sure. But if you're a filer, I imagine you have copies of those things.

Nidhi:  Usually I have, like, a digital copy or something.

Marco:  But do you have any, like. Do you have a stapler on your. Like, do you always have a stapler?

Nidhi:  I have, like, a series of pens and pencils.

Marco:  I.

Nidhi:  It's not really my desk that has any sort of personalization. It's actually more of my cork board next to my desk that's kind of like a. I don't know, like a. There's always got to be color. Like, there's posters, there's sayings, there's communication things.

Marco:  Is there like a cat on a wire that says, hang in there?


Marco needs a stapler that can go through many pages

Nidhi:  No, not at this job.

Marco:  At least, you know, it's interesting. So for me, my. I love having a good stapler. Now I've got.

Nidhi:  What does that mean?

Marco:  That's a great question. So I need a stapler that can go through many pages. I need a stapler that doesn't jam. I need a stapler that really can just staple what I need stapled.

Nidhi:  How many. How many papers do you try and staple it?

Marco:  That's a really good question. So let me backtrack here and said. I say I got one of these environmental stapleless staples.

Nidhi:  Is that a thing?

Marco:  Yeah, and so it's this little plastic doohickey that you kind of put the paper in and you can put many papers and what it'll do is it'll cut the paper and sort of thread it through. It'll make a little notch into your paper and then that little notch that it makes so like a little tiny thin tab, um, will get threaded through a little loop that it's made.

Nidhi:  Mhm.

Marco:  I'm certainly not describing it right, but I tried it and I hate it.

Nidhi:  So it sounds, from your description, it sounds like something that it's just never gonna work for whatever reason.

Marco:  It can stable two to three pages, maybe four max, and then see you later. I need something that can go through 25 pages.

Nidhi:  Is there even such a stapler? Because sometimes you need a heavy duty one.

Marco:  I need, I need a good stapler. I need something that will really, um, staple. Because oftentimes I'm printing out reports and I like to have. I know it's not environmental, but I do like to have hard copies of what I'm working on. Um, scripts oftentimes are many pages. So if I can staple like a good 25 pages of it, then that's a good chunk of script that I'm going through.

Nidhi:  So I have a question, but I

Marco:  don't have a good stapler.

Nidhi:  Well, no stapler is going to staple what you. That's a lot of, that's a lot of paper to stamp it through even.

Marco:  Give me 15. Give me a staple. A stapler that will give me a good staple that will go through 15. Right now I have something that looks like half the size of a proper stapler, that's yellow, that jams all the time.

Nidhi:  I think it's a child stapler. You have a child?

Marco:  No, it's not. It's a dollar store staple. I need a good, well made, made in America metal stapler. Like I just need something that will just. And it will have, it will give a nice big thunk when I make the staple. I don't care if it costs $50, but I want a good stapler. So if you know the make of a really good stapler or you happen to find a really good stapler, it would make my life so great. And I don't know why I haven't gone out to buy a stapler, because it's not that hard of a thing.

Nidhi:  So to our listeners, clearly Marco is very, very passionate about the staple situation that he has. So.

Marco:  Because then you get a stapler that jams. And that is as infuriating because, Nidhi, for me to unjam my stapler, I have to then take the stapler remover. You know, the thing that kind of

Nidhi:  looks like a. Oh, yeah, I think the staplers, the people who make the staplers and the stapler removers are obviously in cahoots with one another. But all this to say, because you are so passionate about it, I encourage our listeners to tweet us at listen and sleep with their staplers of choice for Marco so that he can go and find the stapler of his dreams.


Markle says she just wants a stapler for her printer

But here's a question, Markle. When you have that many sheets of paper that need to be bound together, why a staple and not a clip?

Marco:  Oh, I have a lot of clips. I do use clips. I do use a lot of bowl clips and a lot of clips. I have tons of them. Sometimes you need a stapler. That's all I can say. You need to commit and just staple now. Ah, here's something interesting. So my, my family often says I'm very difficult to buy presents for, so.

Nidhi:  But yet you're a really good gift giver. Yeah.

Marco:  And so all I want is a stapler. I'm not asking for the world. I just want a stapler.


Nidhi likes to print on the back side of, um, sides

Now. I just printed. I had a audition. I had actually two, um, acting gigs today. One was an audition, so it wasn't really a gig. And one was an acting gig. And so, Nidhi, I don't know if you do this, but I like to print on, um, the back side of, um, the sides. Like, you know, when you're done, when you're done with, with paper, you print on the opposite side so as not to waste the paper. So you, you kind of like, am I, am I making myself clear? Do you know what I'm saying?

Nidhi:  I know what you mean, and I know where this is probably going. I usually, when I'm doing that, what I'll do is on the, on the side that is used, I'll put an X on it, okay. So that when it goes through the printer again, I know which side is the correct side. Just in case.

Marco:  Right? Fair. So I printed my sides on our. We call, we call, um, scripts sides and whatnot. I printed my script on yellow paper.

Nidhi:  Okay?

Marco:  For our listeners who don't know this, when you get a script, the first copy will be white. And then if they make, uh, revisions to the script, you'll get different colors so you know that you're not on the same script. The versions change and they change in color. So we had a yellow script that was no longer needed because we had taped or, or, or that script had been filmed and, and no longer needed. So I was printing on the back side of this yellow paper and I really enjoyed reading my scripts off yellow paper. There was something about it. As I was learning my lines, I found it. The lines really stuck in my head really quickly.

Nidhi:  Oh, so you're like there's something therapeutic or calming or um, something that aligns with your brain waves that allows you, when you see it on yellow paper to learn it better or memorize it better.

Marco:  I know it sounds crazy, I know it sounds like, you know, a little woo woo, but it just did.

Nidhi:  But that makes sense. You know how they say you should paint the room colors like of different rooms, like yellow or like different, like particular colors have like a calming effect versus like a not so calming impact,

Marco:  an invigorating effect or whatever.

Nidhi:  Exactly. So I think that that would make sense in a weird way.

Marco:  So I went and I bought a ream of yellow paper that I can just use for when I have to print out scripts that I have to memorize. I'll see how it works.

Nidhi:  So with this script that you had where they changed the version onto the yellow script script, oh, you hadn't yet bought, you hadn't yet gone through this was the reason why you. Gotcha.

Marco:  What happened was I printed on um, all those pages. So I had no more yellow paper and I happened to be buying a paper, one of these, you know, office supply stores. I won't mention the name but um, but I'd probably get a good stapler there. Hint, hint. But uh, so I picked up a ream of yellow paper and now I'm very happy.

Nidhi:  Well good. Congratulations on your newfound method.

Marco:  I also like to ah, have a lot of uh, highlighters near me.

Nidhi:  You love highlighters. It's really, oddly enough, you love highlighters, but I don't see you using highlighters all the time. Like with the amount of highlighters you have, you would think that you're highlighting every single line or every single thing. I guess you do have. You do do a lot of different color depends. You like the different colors and things like that.

Marco:  I feel like it helps me organize the content that I'm working on. Like your thoughts, my thoughts, uh, and just like it separates it in such a bold way, a visual way. And I guess because I'm a visual learner, person, learner, whatever, it really helps me, me, um, and you know, people tend to use black, blue or red in their daily lives. You know, I don't like using black ink pens. Uh, like blue ink pens.

Nidhi:  Right.

Marco:  And then what happens is I end up with a house full of black ink pens because I don't use them. And so I throw them in drawers, and then all of a sudden, my drawers are full of black ink. Black and ink pens. Wow. Um, I should give them to you because you like black ink.

Nidhi:  Yeah, love black ink.

Marco:  And I like blue ink. And then I lost a pen today. I had this beautiful blue ink pen that I took with me. I lost it, and then I went to Starbucks and I asked the woman, do you have a pen I could borrow? I'll bring it right back. Of course it's a black ink pen. And of course I don't bring it right back. But I happened to do this gig, and I was handing out all these blue pens because people had to write. And so I grabbed a couple and then I went back to the Starbucks and I gave the black pen and I gave them an extra blue pen because I said, thank you for letting me use it for the whole day.

Nidhi:  Well, aren't you nice.

Marco:  But the person who I borrowed it from was no longer there. Her shift was done.

Nidhi:  So she still thinks you're kind of a jerk. Well, whatever.

Marco:  I guess I was, actually. But, yeah, that's my. That's.


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Nidhi:  So it's not specifically on my desk. It's on, like. So, uh, in my office, there's a desk, and then there's like, um, a cabinet right across from it. And on the cabinet, uh, that's where I keep my photos and stuff. And so it's a photo of my grandparents, actually a vintage photo of my mom's parents. Yeah.

Marco:  That's kind of cool.

Nidhi:  It is, it is. I like it. So

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Nidhi:  Marco.


If you could go back in time, where would you go

I've been watching a lot of historical dramas lately.

Marco:  Oh.

Nidhi:  And I really enjoy that because I like, uh. I'm a history buff, I guess, and I know that you enjoy history as well. And it made me think, think, like, is there a particular moment in time or era or historical figure that if you can go back in time or like have the time machine, where would you go?

Marco:  Oh, great question. I mean, you know, immediately I want to go to the Renaissance, but really, I don't think I would enjoy being there.

Nidhi:  No. Why? Why the Renaissance?

Marco:  So much was going on and it was. So there's something cool about it.

Nidhi:  I would be worried about getting sick.

Marco:  That's just it. It's like, that's why I don't think I would enjoy it. And people. People back then were getting killed for no reason. Like, you know, it wasn't. It wasn't as pleasant as it is today.

Nidhi:  Right.

Marco:  Um, I'd like to go back to the 80s.

Nidhi:  Oh, the 80s when you were there before?

Marco:  I was. But I was young. Right. And I would like to go back now so I could really enjoy what the 80s were like.

Nidhi:  You would want to be like a

Marco:  coked up stockbroker or that's not the first thing I think of, but that's

Nidhi:  what I think about professionals.

Marco:  You know, having lived through the 80s. I don't remember too many of those running in too many of those people. I just think it was an interesting, pristine time for music. And I love listening to 80s music and just. It could also be just a nostalgic thing.

Nidhi:  Right.

Marco:  You know, I mean, so.

Nidhi:  Right.

Marco:  Um. But, um. And nobody really got killed for no reason. Um.

Nidhi:  Really?

Marco:  Well, no, I wouldn't say that. Unlike the Renaissance.

Nidhi:  Okay.

Marco:  Uh, that was me moving the chair was, you know, thrown to the lions and things like that. That wasn't happening.

Nidhi:  You're right.

Marco:  Uh, how about yourself?

Nidhi:  You know, it's funny because I think it's an interesting question for women.

Marco:  Oh.

Nidhi:  Because there's not many eras in, like, modern history or what we know of modern history that you can kind of go back to where women were necessarily treated well.

Marco:  Right.

Nidhi:  Or at least that's what the records show. Show. I would, uh. Two places. So, one, I'd love to go to ancient Egypt, like the time of Cleopatra, and kind of see what that was all about. Because as a society they seemed to have some not so progressive views. But, uh, the way they're society kind of revered women and things like that. Women's place in society seemed really interesting. And, uh, there's a mysticism about that time that I find very interesting as well. Like, you know, what do the pyramids mean? Why did this happen? So I think it would just be cool to kind of go back there and see what it was really all about and to see, like, the library of Alexandria and see what kind of knowledge has been kept. Kept there. Because apparently we are closer in time or from a generational perspective, we're closer in time to Cleopatra than Cleopatra was to the first Egyptians.

Marco:  Oh, okay, that's. That's a neat thing. I didn't realize that.

Nidhi:  Yeah. Okay, so it's. It's interesting. It would be an interesting society.

Marco:  What's interesting is I don't think Cleopatra was Egyptian.

Nidhi:  Oh, was she not?

Marco:  Yeah.

Nidhi:  Ah.

Marco:  I think, like Nubian. No, Macedonian. I think she was.

Nidhi:  No.

Marco:  Yeah, keep talking. I'll look.

Nidhi:  Really?

Marco:  Yeah.

Nidhi:  Interesting. Okay.

Marco:  I. I only say that because my friend, uh, portrayed Cleopatra in, um, in a film and found, uh, out that about her. And she happens to be, um, Greek. So she was saying that. Yeah, I'll look it up. But you were saying.

Nidhi:  And then the second place I would love to go back to is kind of like the whole, I think, you know, the Bible times Like, I'd like to see the whole Jesus Christ thing.

Marco:  No, I have no interest.

Nidhi:  Really.

Marco:  Not really. Cleopatra was a member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, a family of Macedonian Greek origin that ruled Egypt after Alexander the Great.


Niddy: People gravitate to the idea that time doesn't end

So there you go.

Nidhi:  So I think her origins may have been Greek, but I think she was Egypt. Egyptian. I don't know.

Marco:  Look what kind of historical scholars we are.

Nidhi:  I know.

Marco:  We open this can of worms.

Nidhi:  I know. I'm sure people were like, Wikipedia will tell us.

Marco:  Um,

Nidhi:  but I. Yeah, so the time of Jesus Christ. That's what I was thinking. Which is funny because I'm not Christian. But I just find it fascinating. I find it fascinating.

Marco:  Too many crucifixions, too many things, too many people.

Nidhi:  I would just like to see, like, what the real account is, you know, for me, it's like, I just want to know Mary Magdalene, Right. What was her thing?

Marco:  What was her story?

Nidhi:  Sure, story.

Marco:  See, the danger in sort of these what ifs are like going back in time is. It's all finding dandy to say, I want to go back to reserve Christian times, but what if you end up going back as a slave? Right. Like, you'd want to pick. You want to pick what.

Nidhi:  What you can be.

Marco:  What you can be.

Marco:  Or be a fly on the wall type. Type scenario.

Nidhi:  Because I agree. I'm assuming in the time machine that I'm always kind of the equivalent of a rich white man. You know what I mean? Like, I'm. Whatever that is. Yeah, whatever that is. The time that I'm going back to. I'm just assuming that's what I would be. So laboring wouldn't be necessarily difficult.

Marco:  You know what's interesting? That they say that. And when I say they, I can't pinpoint who they are. But a lot of say, let's say, um, let's say New Age thinkers, for lack of a better. A better term, but people who sort of look into this or retire really,

Nidhi:  um,

Marco:  gravitate to this sort of thought that time doesn't end and so that it just. It's continuous. Meaning that while we're having this conversation here in, In. In this time period, whatever happened in Christian times is continuing to happen. Whatever happened in the Renaissance is continuing to happen. What happened to us when we were five years old continues to happen. So that there's a continuous sort of. And I know I'm saying this incorrectly

Nidhi:  once again, this is very Stephen Hawking of you.

Marco:  Um, we are. We are full of non facts here on the Insomnia Pro.

Nidhi:  Please do not quote us on anything.

Marco:  You know, we just. We just refer to what we remember having read or someone has told us. It's often.

Nidhi:  Mostly someone has told us.

Marco:  Oftentimes, Niddy will be like, marco, I think you told me this. And I'm like, no, I didn't.

Nidhi:  But it sounds like.

Marco:  Sounds reasonable to me. I tell a lot of people a lot of things, I guess, but supposedly, like, uh, time doesn't stop, and it just continues. And so what's happening to us now and what happened to us five hours ago continues to happen. What happened 15 years ago continues to happen. And I guess that would be what happens 10 years from now is also continuing to happen.

Nidhi:  See, I. Okay, that's interesting, because I. I get the whole parallel universe thing. Sure. That, you know, we might be sitting in a parallel universe, not making this podcast, but doing something else or whatever. You know, that, um, like.

Marco:  Or making the podcast that helps you stay awake.

Nidhi:  Yes. There we go. The opposite. Um, and that, like, you know how they say that every choice you make opens up kind of like a. In. In another universe, the person is making. Made a different choice. Like, you have made a different choice. And there's all these, like, infinite realities that operate around us, but I've never heard about it all being sort of

Marco:  continuous, so linear, kind of.

Nidhi:  Yeah.


Now, if you had the opportunity to live on the moon or live on a planet

Now, if you had the opportunity to live on the moon or live on a planet. No, no, no. No interest.

Marco:  No interest.

Marco:  You know what?

Nidhi:  There's so much that you could.

Marco:  No. No interest. There's too much to see on this planet. And I love traveling, as you know, and I haven't seen. I only seen a fraction of what I want to see. So you keep Venus, you keep Mars. I'll stay on Earth and just explore here.

Nidhi:  Fair enough.

Marco:  You, on the other hand, you know what?

Nidhi:  I would be way too, too scared of? Uh, the rocket ship trip there.

Marco:  Okay.

Nidhi:  So, yeah, I can't get on a plane without getting a little bit nervous.

Marco:  Fair enough.

Nidhi:  Rocket ship's not gonna work.

Marco:  You need to do when you go on a plane is download some of our. Do you.

Nidhi:  I do.

Marco:  Have you done that on a plane?

Nidhi:  Yeah, I have.

Marco:  Oh, that's great. And has it helped?

Nidhi:  It has helped. I've told you before, like, M. Marco doesn't believe me, but I actually do fall asleep to this podcast. Uh, oddly enough, especially when I'm having, uh, a difficult time or whatever, I'll actually listen to the podcast. And you're always amazed because you can't listen to the sound.

Marco:  I can't listen to m. My voice, because I can't listen to my voice, because then my head judges what I sound like. Because I feel like I sound. I feel like I have a great voice. And then I hear my voice and I'm like, oh, my God, this is my voice. Like, you know, it's like. I think many people feel that way, but it's. It's really difficult when you envision your voice one way and then you hear it back, and it's not.

Nidhi:  It's funny. It's sort of like, uh. Remember growing up, or not even growing up, but when you listen to radio, uh, DJs or hosts or whatever, and they have a sound and you think you know what they look like based on the sound of their voice, and then you see a picture and you're like, they're not at all what I thought they would look like. It's a little bit like that, but not at all.

Marco:  Right.

Nidhi:  In a weird way.

Marco:  See, I feel like I sound like Wolfman Jack, but then when I see myself, I look more like Casey Kasem. I sound more like Casey Kasey Case. I'm just picking random DJs. Do you remember Wolfman Jack?

Nidhi:  You look. I don't, but Casey Kasem.

Marco:  I remember Wolfman Jack was. I was little, and they would always talk about. About this dj, Wolfman Jack, who had a beard, and I don't know, I guess he would howl. I don't know. But, uh, he was one of those people that were, like, one of those. I don't even want to say celebrities, but people. People that were in the ether that people would often refer to.

Nidhi:  Wolfman Jack.

Marco:  Wolfman Jack.

Nidhi:  Maybe one day you'll be able to record a podcast with him.

Marco:  He's dead. But in a parallel universe.

Nidhi:  In a parallel universe, maybe.


We hope you had a chance to listen and sleep on this podcast

And on that note, we hope that

Marco:  you had a chance to listen and sleep, and if you didn't and you listened to the end of this podcast, we thank you for staying with us as we talked a lot about what ifs or where would you, or who would you or what would you. What are those called?

Nidhi:  Uh, what ifs? What if Scenarios.

Marco:  Scenarios, yeah.

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