Soap & Subscriptions | Light Conversation for Restful Moments

In Soap & Subscriptions, Amanda and Marco settle into a softly spoken, gently meandering conversation designed to help you unwind at the end of the day. This calming podcast lingers on the comfort of everyday rituals, beginning with a thoughtful reflection on soap — the subtle differences in scent and texture, the familiar rhythm of washing hands, and the quiet sensory details we often overlook. It’s a relaxing conversation that turns something ordinary into a small moment of mindfulness.
From there, the discussion drifts naturally into the world of subscriptions — the steady arrival of household staples, curated boxes, and small conveniences that show up at the door. Amanda and Marco reflect on the comfort of predictable routines and the mild anticipation of receiving something familiar. Nothing urgent, nothing dramatic — just steady, companionable thoughts.
As always, the pace is intentionally unhurried, making this episode perfect for background listening as you fall asleep, ease anxiety, or quiet racing thoughts during a middle-of-the-night wake-up. The Insomnia Project offers gentle company in the dark — a peaceful space where conversation hums softly and you’re free to drift off whenever you’re ready.

​Soap & Subscriptions

(Original airdate: October 4, 2023)

 Welcome to the Insomnia Project, the Patreon episodes. Thank you for joining us. Of course. We appreciate your patronage. I'm your host, Marco Timpano.

Amanda:  Here I am Amanda Barker.

Marco:  And, Amanda, um, while our season hasn't started, It'll start on February 1st. The regular podcast episodes were.

Amanda:  I'm sorry. The podcast was Episodes.

Marco:  Applesaudes. Um, Applesaudes. Uh, the patrons get, uh, you know, uninterrupted episodes. So there we go.

Amanda:  All, uh, your Insomnia project content. All the time.

Marco:  All the time. I wanted to talk about soap.

Amanda:  Okay.

Marco:  And bars of soap.

Amanda:  All right.

Marco:  Because, you know, I'm a huge fan of soap.

Amanda:  Man soap.

Marco:  Yes, man soap, as we refer to it. Because I'm always saying, you know what I want? I want some man soap, which is a bar of soap that I can use in the shower, uh, as soap. And I don't know why we started calling it man soap, but that's what I want was man.

Amanda:  Well, because it, uh, sounds as sexist. That's why. It really does. But the soap that I kept getting, I was trading for it.

Marco:  Oh, that's right.

Amanda:  It was handmade soap, and it would kind of disintegrate quickly. And then you started getting upset because you said we had no good soap. And I'd be like, we have all this. And you'd be like, mm, m. It's not. I need a heartier soap.

Marco:  It's true.

Amanda:  Um, and for you, you meant. I think, at that point, anyway, like bars of soap that you would buy en masse at a grocery store.

Marco:  That's right. An Irish spring. Um, dial.

Amanda:  An Ivory.

Marco:  Not ivory. I don't like ivory.

Amanda:  Okay. A dove.

Marco:  Dove works. Yeah.

Amanda:  Okay. Well, anyway, um, which is funny because dove is often marketed to women, but, uh, for you, that would be called a man soap.

Marco:  It's just a soap that I can hold and has some, uh, girth and hardiness to, uh, versus a soap that's, like, delicate or thin. Sometimes you would give me, like, hotel soaps or soaps that were too thin to use.

Amanda:  Do those hotel soaps continue to last? I have one going that just lasts and lasts. So there you go. Um, and I think we talked before about the project where they take hotel soaps that are gently used and, uh, melt them down to make soap for developing countries.

Marco:  Oh, yeah, I don't remember that.

Amanda:  I'm pretty sure I've talked about it before.

Marco:  Um, do you know this soap, the soap that we wash our bodies with is actually technically called toilet soap.

Amanda:  What?

Marco:  Yeah, it's called toilet, uh, soap. I'm looking at this on Wikipedia. In a domestic setting, soap usually refers to what is technically called a toilet soap used for household or personal cleaning. So in other words, the soap that you would use in a toilet or a bathroom or a washroom, whatever you call it, uh, when used for cleaning other things like, uh, detergents or cleaning oil spills and whatnot, it's not obviously called toilet soap.

Amanda:  I'm fascinated by that because there would be toilet soap, laundry soap, that kind of thing.

Marco:  Yeah, I guess so. That's exactly it. It's not laundry soap. Um, when used for cleaning, soap solubilizes particles and grime which can then be separated from the article being cleaned. The insoluble oil fat molecules become associ inside, uh, micelles, tiny spheres formed from soap molecules with polar hydrophilic groups on the outside encasing, uh, lipophilic, uh, which are fat attracting pockets, which shields the oil fat molecules from the water, making it soluble. Anything that is soluble will, uh, be washed away with water. So that, I guess is the definition of toilet soap versus a surfactant soap or a soap that does other things. Yeah.

Amanda:  Do you think a lot about, um, soap in the olden days?

Marco:  I don't, but Soap is like 2,500 years bc I noticed here. Um, and for our listeners, just so you know, and I'm sure Amanda is aware of this now, I will always refer to soap as toilet soap, uh, around the house, because I think it's great for that.

Amanda:  Yeah, that'll be great. It's very funny when we have guests over. Um. Yeah, I often think about. In fact there's a famous case and I don't really want to get into the case right now just because of the details of it, but, um, ah, a famous true crime case that actually began with, um, somebody taking somebody else's bar of soap.

Marco:  Oh, I didn't know that because it

Amanda:  was in the 1800s and so there was quite a scrap over. They borrowed the soap and didn't return it.

Marco:  Well, soap was a high commodity.

Amanda:  Well, that's just it. This was like, um, Victorian, like late 1800s.

Marco:  Sure.

Amanda:  So I often think about that. Like, imagine you Know, having such a reverence and obviously a need for soap that, um, you know, imagine if you

Marco:  didn't have it, a bra breaks out.

Amanda:  Yeah.

Marco:  You know, um, soap. Good soap. I love good soap. And it's interesting we talked about man soap because a lot of the scents of soaps that I like aren't, you know, necessarily associated with men. I like floral. Floral scents, um, all kinds of scents, you know. Um, how important is the scent of the soap to you, Amanda?

Amanda:  For me, very important. Um, I'm not so into floral scents. I like m sort of the sandalwood variety. Something earthier. A, uh, patchouli based. Although I'm not really, I don't really care for patchouli. But anyway, things that are in that word, like, um, a, ah, sage, a cedar, a green tea. Ylang. Ylang.

Marco:  Even I don't like the ylang Ylang. That's the soap that's currently being used. The toilet soap.

Amanda:  I like that one.

Marco:  You do?

Amanda:  Really? You're gonna call it toilet?

Marco:  I'm calling it toilet soap. Yeah, of course. That's its technical name.

Amanda:  Toilet soap in our shower. Um, no, we're not gonna call it.

Marco:  You may not, but I should.

Amanda:  Well then what do I clean my toilet with?

Marco:  I hope it's not toilet soap because that's what I use for my body. You use other soaps, disinfectant or detergent soaps.

Amanda:  That's toilet soap.

Marco:  Well, maybe for you.

Amanda:  Yeah.

Marco:  What is ylang Ylang?

Amanda:  I don't know. An herb.

Marco:  Looks like it's a flower. Oh, maybe it is kananga odorata, which is a kananga, uh, tree. Comes from the Kananga tree.

Amanda:  M. Well, I'll be the one cleaning the toilets for the most part. So I'm going to call that toilet soap.

Marco:  Okay, well, you call it what you will. I will call it the proper term.

Amanda:  How about you call it toilet soap?

Marco:  Toilet soap.

Amanda:  No. Savant de toilette.

Marco:  Uh, the French are really, uh, well known for their French milled process of, uh, making soap. M Marseilles. I did a brief while.

Amanda:  It gets very humid. You need soap when you're in France.

Marco:  I guess you do.

Amanda:  Yeah.

Marco:  So I have to answer back to an email because I got on a soap subscription, ah, service and I don't like the soap that they sent.

Amanda:  I had nothing to do with this.

Marco:  She had nothing to do with it, folks. Anyway, so I got on the subscription service of the soap and they sent me eight bars of soap and I didn't love them.

Amanda:  Which begs the question, how much soap do they think One human needs that they're sending eight bars per time.

Marco:  That was the introductory sort of thing. Like you get eight bars for the price of six.

Amanda:  I see.

Marco:  And it was supposed to be a four month supply and then on the fourth month they send you another supply. I think of three soaps.

Amanda:  Mhm.

Marco:  To sort of get you into your toilet soap needs. Right. And I didn't love the ones that we got and I thought I canceled the subscription. They sent me three more soaps and I don't, uh, I mean, I don't anticipate I'm gonna like these toilet soaps. So I sent an email to them and now they've sent an email back trying to woo me as a customer. But it's not gonna happen and I just have to answer that email. So. So I'll do that. But it's not anything of a rush, let's say.

Amanda:  Well, I mean, the worst case scenario is we just have more lovely soap. I don't mind toilet soap. You know what, I'm not calling it toilet soap.

Marco:  You said it. So naturally you benefit from my love of toilet soap because you get a little extra toilet soap in your life.

Amanda:  I do and I don't because I end up using the soaps that you've decided you don't like and you're very particular. So if you're like, mm m. I don't like it, then I take it to we're lucky we have two showers. So I take it to the shower that I more often use and then I'm stuck with it.

Marco:  It's true. I'm not gonna lie. It's true. Um, well, I'll try to save the

Amanda:  soaps that you've got me thinking about subscription services though. Um, have we ever talked about subscription services?

Marco:  I'm sure we have. I can't even begin to remember all the topics we've talked about on the podcast, unfortunately.

Amanda:  Well, I'd love to go through the ones that I've benefited from. I don't have to name them because nobody is sponsoring our podcast. But things that I've chosen to do in the subscription, of course.

Marco:  Of course. And if you like the subscription, name it, because then our listener are getting the benefit of your sort of review

Amanda:  of it, I suppose. Um, well, one that I've actually really enjoyed, maybe surprisingly, is Ipsi I P S I Sy Ipsy. Um, I sort of did it on a lark actually now quite a few years ago, maybe four years ago, and I really enjoy it. Maybe even five years ago.

Marco:  Uh, no, it can't be that long

Amanda:  ago, I think it might have been really. Maybe

Marco:  not a magazine subscription, of which

Amanda:  I have many of those. It's a makeup subscription. And, um, they give you five products a month, which sounds like a lot, but some of them are often a sample size. And what I find is I try more things, I go through it a lot quicker than I did.

Marco:  You mentioned it was all makeup. Like makeup based.

Amanda:  Yeah, it's makeup. But then there's other things that sort of show up, like deodorant, full size deodorant. Soap was one of the things actually.

Marco:  Toilet soap.

Amanda:  Yes. And you liked the one we got from that, actually. Um, and, uh, you know, a candle at one point came. But for the most part, it's makeup. It's usually if it's coming in that world, um, you know, face wipes, things like that, creams, sunblock, lip balms, for sure. So it's sort of all facial care products. And it's, uh, I pay, I think 20, something like 24amonth or something. It comes to, uh, I think it's less than that. I think it's like 22amonth Canadian, which is not very much. Probably like, you know, 18American. And I do love makeup, so it depends on who you are and what you like. But one of the things I like is, you know, eye makeup you're not supposed to have it for. Or lipstick. I mean, these should not be things that you have had for years and years and years. You should go through them. And I find when I have a smaller, um, mascara, for example, then I'll use it for two, three months. I've used it up and it's done. And then I can recycle it. I also, there's a lot of nice, um, environmental products on there. A lot of the nail polishes, um, are all natural, which is really hard to find with nail polish.

Marco:  Oh, is it okay?

Amanda:  Yeah. Um, a lot of the products are cruelty free and you can tailor your choices depending on what it is that you want or what you'd like to try. Also what kind of skin type and coloring and all of that so that you're getting products you actually want and can use so you can really adjust your subscription each month. And, uh, the reason I'm surprised is I felt like it would be something I would do for six months and then sort of peter out. But actually I love the products I get. And like I said, it's kept me going. It. If it was a bit more money, I probably wouldn't do it right. But um, the only thing is every month these products come in a little makeup bag and the bags are great. But I have so many now.

Marco:  But you have been using those makeup bags as gift bags for kids and I love it.

Amanda:  They're great little pencil cases for kids or whatever they want to use them for.

Marco:  What I loved about that particular soap that came, that toilet soap that came in your uh, Ipsy subscription was it was a triple milled soap.

Amanda:  Okay.

Marco:  And for me, my favorite is triple milled soaps.

Amanda:  I didn't know. So this is like thread count of sheets. I didn't know there was different mills. So can you explain that?

Marco:  Of course. So a triple milled soap goes through a refinement process, Amanda, that presses the soap through a mold. Hm, sorry, not a mold, through a mill, I should say. And this process basically squeezes out all the air and all the moisture from that soap. So what happens is you get a better distribution of scent, a better distribution of color if your soap happens to have a, a color to it. But it also means that it breaks down slower. So that milled soap, and you can tell when you hold a milled soap because it's often heavier and it feels very smooth to me. And in fact that bar of milled soap, toilet soap we're talking, will last longer than a regular bar, uh, of soap.

Amanda:  And so this is what you mean by man soap, what you actually mean is milled soap. Is milled soap particularly a tripled. Milled.

Marco:  Triple milled.

Amanda:  Is there a double milled?

Marco:  No, I mean, uh, there could be, but the triple milled, or I think it's called the French milled soap is the other term for it. And that's why it came to me because the soap from France is generally triple milled or regarded as such.

Amanda:  Yeah, um, well that makes sense because all of the soaps that I had before that were very glycerin based, handmade, somebody made them and traded me for um, whatever, a spatula or whatever.

Marco:  And sometimes that soap, uh, dissipates rather quickly.

Amanda:  It does.

Marco:  Even the one that I made, remember I talked about on the podcast, I was making soap.

Amanda:  Mhm.

Marco:  That lasted, you know, four or five washes.

Amanda:  That's true. The one you made didn't last very long. So that's good to know. I didn't know about the milling here,

Marco:  actually, I just looked online. Here are the benefits of triple milled soap.

Amanda:  Tell us.

Marco:  Longer lasting than standard commercial or hand poured bar soap. Because the soap contains little to no water, as I mentioned, or air, it can Outlast the other types by months.

Amanda:  Wow.

Marco:  The other thing is it's more solid or dense. The bar does not quickly soften, which is something else I dislike. And dissolve in the soap dish. It m. Tends to hold up to a soap dish better. Denser soap is less porous, which means it will not turn to mush as quickly as others. If soaked in water, it may soften, but it should still stay solid when it dries, although it may crack. And that's true. Milled soap does, uh, have a tendency or propensity to crack. Uh, it's smoother and creamier. It's so funny because I didn't even look at this list before I said all those things. Um, it's smoother, creamier, texture feels more sensuous. And I guess that's why I really love that soap. You can feel the quality of the finished product by just holding it in your hand. And lastly, it's richer and more luxur. It has a richer and more luxurious. Luxurious or luxurious lather.

Amanda:  Oh, I don't know.

Marco:  You'll notice a difference in the richness of the lather. And that's important to me, too. Amanda is the lather. I, uh, like a good, strong toilet soap lather.

Amanda:  Wow.

Marco:  Okay, back to your subscriptions.

Amanda:  Oh, no, I enjoyed that little trip down Triple Mill Lane.

Marco:  Yes.

Amanda:  Um, so I'm trying to think. So do you have subscriptions that have worked for you?

Marco:  I had a subscription once that you got me, and it was. And it was supposed to be a subscription that was, um, not specific to any gender.

Amanda:  That's right.

Marco:  I was very excited about it because Amanda gets all these cool little, uh, packets or boxes with subscription things. So I was like, I got my own subscription. And then it was, like, sending me a lot of stuff that I wouldn't necessarily use, like, uh, nail polish or, um, things. Barrettes. Fancy barrettes and things. And it was like, this isn't really geared to, um. You know, it felt very gendered.

Amanda:  It felt very female. Yeah. Or it's hard to say that because anybody can wear nail polish and do. Anyone does wear nail polish. But there were lots of things. Actually. There's a lot of hair products. Yeah.

Marco:  And I don't have a lot of hair for product, so it didn't work for me.

Amanda:  So we spoke to them about it and said, you know, we're really excited about your service, but everything seems really female focused. I, uh, can't remember what else was in there, but there was definitely things that were gender meant to be gender specific. Uh, and for people with long hair. And so, um, they apologized and they sent us a free box as a. And that box, um, was wonderful. Was wonderful. It had sunglasses in it. Lots of wonderful. I think a candle.

Marco:  Yeah, it was great.

Amanda:  Yeah. The whole point of that box was, um, products that, um, have no footprint on the earth, so things that biodegrade, things that are all fair trade practices, um, that type of thing. So yeah.

Marco:  Then I had another subscription.

Amanda:  Should we name that one?

Marco:  I don't even remember the name.

Amanda:  It was called an Ecobox.

Marco:  An Ecobox.

Amanda:  I don't know if they're still around.

Marco:  And I think that's why we were excited to get it. Because we thought, oh, ecobox, it's gonna be things for the home that were gonna be ecological. And then it was a lot of combs. Yeah. Uh, lipstick and nail polish. And I was like, well, this doesn't work for me necessarily as a gift for you.

Amanda:  It wasn't as appropriate as I had hoped.

Marco:  Then I got one that was at that time.

Amanda:  But I will say, I just want to say about that company because they sent us this gorgeous box full of things as a worse. Sorry. I would absolutely recommend them because they're. Customer service was great and hopefully they found more products.

Marco:  Oh, and don't get me wrong, the products that they did send were top notch.

Amanda:  We're still using some of them. Yeah.

Marco:  Which ones are we using?

Amanda:  I found a knife and fork traveling set today as I was cleaning the kitchen. I've been doing a major purge of things in the house and uh, I found that, um, we have wooden sunglasses.

Marco:  Oh yeah, the wooden sunglasses.

Amanda:  Those things have been around since we got them and they travel all the time with us, so those ones are great. Those are a few things I can think of.

Marco:  I had a subscription to a tie. I think it was like a. It was a specific. Once again, here was a specific subscription for. Geared towards men.

Amanda:  Mhm.

Marco:  Though the products could be used by either gender or any genders if they wanted. But it was very tie focused. So it was like ties and wallets. And then I was like, okay. After like the fourth box, I was like, I don't need any more ties. Clearly I don't need more wallets.

Amanda:  How many wallet, like a wallet subscription? Who would need that?

Marco:  No, I think it sent one wallet and then like a, um, money clip.

Amanda:  Okay.

Marco:  But then a lot of that stuff was sports focused too.

Amanda:  Right.

Marco:  And they would send socks. So it was like ties and socks. And I was like, surely you can think of more than just ties or Socks or cufflinks?

Amanda:  Mhm.

Marco:  And because they were very sports focused too, and I don't really follow a lot of sports teams, I was a little bit like, ugh, uh, I canceled them too.

Amanda:  I'm trying to remember the name of that snack subscription box.

Marco:  Oh, I don't even remember this. Oh, I think I remember it.

Amanda:  I'm actually messaging our friends right now.

Marco:  Who ordered this? Who recommended it?

Amanda:  Um, no, they used to use it and we used to use it. We went through a real phase. They were on it for a long time. It was a lot of like chocolate covered cashews and things like that. Um, and they got really into it. It was like nuts and cookies.

Marco:  I love nuts. Especially if you cover them in chocolate. They're great.

Amanda:  I can't remember what that one was called, but we spent about a year with that one.

Marco:  Now. What's the one? You get a big box that's always fun to open.

Amanda:  I do, and I'm hesitant to talk about that, but I will. It's called the FabFit Fun Box. I, you know, I got roped into it through a friend. I shouldn't say roped into it, but, um, she offered me. It was like $15 in a free box. Um, and so I said, okay, fine, I'll do it. And got a box for 15 bucks and then went, okay, I'll sign off. Then they get all your info. And I thought, okay, I'll buy it, I'll do this. It's an interesting one. Um, they tend to in their marketing target a lot of like influencer people. And there's a lot of unboxing and stuff. So, um, I don't think all the products are, although some of them are. But I don't know if they have quite an, uh, ecological component to them as some other boxes. But every time I think I'm going to cancel that subscription, I do get a box. And the truth is I open it up and kind of go, okay, yeah, uh, maybe. And then I end up really loving a lot of those products. So I've gotten both of those bathrobes that I have are both from them.

Marco:  The soft. The soft.

Amanda:  The soft one and the satiny one.

Marco:  Oh, the satiny one.

Amanda:  Both from them. Yeah. Because you can go, it'll be like, okay, it's, you know, it's a big business, that one. And they'll be like, okay. And it's definitely, um, gendered. Like it's definitely targeted to women. Yeah. Like the clothing is like, it's not just clothing, but um, you Know, hair product, a lot of creams and facial creams and stuff. But you can go on and you can pick the stuff you want. It ends up being like 90 bucks. Ouch. Yeah, so it's always a is it worth it? Kind of thing for me, I don't think so. But I end up loving it every time. So once I get a dud box, I'll probably cut it off. I've had a couple repeat things in the boxes and there's always things I don't really use, uh, on the smaller things. But if you can go and click on the things you want, then that's kind of fun. It's a little bit like, you know, a mini Christmas when you get one.

Marco:  So here's what I would love. I would love a reasonably priced flower subscription bouquet.

Amanda:  That's a great idea.

Marco:  And I don't think, I think in the US they have them.

Amanda:  Yeah, it's harder in Canada, but it's

Marco:  harder in Canada because cold and you know.

Amanda:  Mhm.

Marco:  Flowers are just pricey. So anything that I've looked into that, it's like you might as well just get it from a local florist because it's going to cost you the same. And you know, flowers are not inexpensive. So you're going to look at over $80 for such a subscription. So it's kind of for me, cost prohibitive. But how lovely would it be to get like a little plain flower subscription?

Amanda:  A once a month bouquet would be a really great idea. There's an underwear subscription box that I'm actually interested in that is um, biodegradable underwear.

Marco:  Oh, so you wear it once and you bury it.

Amanda:  No, you actually. They say it lasts a long time. I actually had it in um, my Christmas wish list this year I think. Um, let me see if I can find it. But yeah, it's biodegradable underwear. Um, and they send you three every month or something like that. So eventually that would be all your underwear. I don't know. Apparently you can wear it a lot and then you bury it and it's fine. Or you put it in the compost and it's fine.

Marco:  Imagine all the little burial spots you have in your backyard for all the underwear that you.

Amanda:  Oh, that's just my underwear. No problem.

Marco:  Don't worry about that.

Amanda:  Yeah, so I'm not really sure about that one, but I know that that one exists.

Marco:  Um, there's a lot of food ones we have partaken. Partook.

Amanda:  Mhm.

Marco:  In the food boxes.

Amanda:  Mhm. We have and we tend To I rotate between two or three of them. And I will say, with Food Subscription boxes, now, there's three major. One, there's a few that deliver to our area. And what I'm talking about is the meal kits. You know the ones.

Marco:  Good Food, hello Food, Happy Food, hello Food. Isn't there one called hello Food?

Amanda:  There definitely is.

Marco:  Hello Food, hello Food, hello Subscription, Happy Food, Happy Food.

Amanda:  These are all made up names. Good Food is not. Should I just name them?

Marco:  You can name them. This is the Patreon episode.

Amanda:  Okay. It feels like M. I'm plugging them.

Marco:  No, they take everything with a grain of salt. Our patrons know that this, by the

Amanda:  way, all these meal kits want you to add a grain of salt to everything. It's a lot about seasoning. Uh, the three I rotate between are Hellofresh, Chef's Plate, and Good Food. Currently, anyway. And what I do is I. Yeah, if this is the Patreon. That's right. I get a discount.

Marco:  Insider tip.

Amanda:  This is how I do it. I get a discount. And it'll usually be right now. For me, it'll usually be reactivation. You always get a discount to join. But, um, after you've joined them and done the 30% off, or your next four weeks or whatever it ends up being, you cancel it. Well, once you cancel it after about a month or two, they want you back. So they'll say, hey, reactivate now, and your next two boxes are half off, or whatever it ends up being. So I'll ride that code and do it for two weeks or whatever our schedule is, and then I'll deactivate that. And then I usually, at that point, have a code for the next one. Do my month or whatever, couple of weeks, deactivate that, then do the third one.

Marco:  So Amanda's working the system, in other

Amanda:  words, and usually by the time the third one's deactivated, they're offering me codes back on box number A. Ah, yeah.

Marco:  So she's maximizing her box potential by, uh.

Amanda:  I never pay full price for them. I don't. The thing is about them is with inflation, they're actually a good deal. Because if you do protein, especially if you're eating. If you're vegetarian. I don't know if they're a great deal, but if you're eating meat or want to eat any meat, then they're a good deal. Because, um, you know, they're a good deal for all the reasons they'll tell you that they're a good deal and that they're giving you all the ingredients and there's no waste because you're using it all. And that's true to a certain degree. Um, and they've become all bit more environmentally sound. When they first started, a lot of them had a lot of prepackaging. They've minimized that to some degree. But, um, yeah, they are a good deal because if you were to, you know, buy chicken breasts or some, you know, whatever ground turkey, then it's a better. It's actually cheaper or as cheap than buying it at the grocery store for us anyway, where we live and what prices are. So for us, it works out. And also because it's just you and I, I think if I were feeding a family, I might feel different.

Marco:  It'd be a different story, maybe.

Amanda:  I don't know.

Marco:  Amanda, thank you for sharing all that. That, uh, subscription m. Um services that you. You get, the underwear that you're going to purchase and bury and our toilet soap talk, that's all we have time for on this particular Patreon episode. Thank you all for listening. We hope this episode was able to make you feel cleaner. And, um, also realize that you can probably bury your biodegradable underwear, which I think is hilarious. And also, of course, we hope it helped you sleep.